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FREE MAN 2/22/2005 4:19 pm EST |
Property Tax: Why You Pay and How to Opt Out by Brent Johnson Paying property tax is one of those things which most Americans have accepted as if it was a way of life. However, most people are unaware as to why they pay property tax in the first place. If you knew why you pay this tax, you could then choose whether or not to pay it, because like all taxes in this country, the property tax is not a mandatory tax. If you knew the truth, would you continue to pay? Some of you will say that property tax goes to support education, and if you don´t pay the property tax then you don´t care anything about educating our children. This is the cry of all good socialists, the enemies of Americanism and the principles of limited government and natural rights. Anyone who has researched the educational system even a little, knows that the United States Department of Education has based its system on the Soviet education system. This was proven by former Senior member of Ronald Reagan´s Department of Education, a courageous woman who surreptitiously removed documents, then exposed the truth for all to know. Let´s get back to the argument made by socialists concerning how property tax money is used for education, and if you don´t pay it then you are against education. My response is that money is the fuels for bureaucracies. When a system (like education) is failing to properly educate our children, but rather is making them into mindless, unthinking, docile, obedient servants of government, effective slaves for the work force, then by fueling the system you are simply guaranteeing that it will continue to do what it is doing. If the results of the current system are undesirable, then stop giving it fuel and it will cease to operate. Now that we have dealt with the principal naysayers, let´s talk about the property tax itself. There are only two kinds of taxes - direct and indirect. Direct taxes are prohibited by the Constitution - not once but twice. Direct taxes are taxes on that which you already own, and there may be no direct taxes under any circumstances short of a state of war, and then only if the taxes are equally apportioned among the Union states. Apportionment works like this: say the United States government want to raise 500 million dollars for the "war effort." Say, too, that California has ten (10%) percent of the population. California gets a bill for 50 million dollars. Now let´s say that California has 25 million people at this time. Everybody pays two dollars. That´s apportionment. It does not take into account how much or how little you earn, how much or how little you have, etc. It is completely fair and equable. An apportioned tax must be repealed within two years of its enactment. The other type of tax is an indirect tax. Indirect taxes are taxes on a particular activity or taxes levied at the point of purchase. If you do not want to pay the tax, don´t engage in the taxed activity or don´t purchase the taxed item. Lawfully avoiding indirect taxes is easy. America was established so that a Citizen need not ever pay any tax, unless he wished to do so. So what is the property tax? It is an indirect tax, levied because you have voluntarily used government services, and also because your property has been classified as a commercial piece of property. There is no law requiring a real property owner to record his property with the County Recorder. Don´t believe me. Go ask your Recorder or County Counsel. Therefore, when you do record your property, you are using government services which you are not required to use. Your property tax goes to pay for those services. When you record your property, you enter into a Trustor/Trustee relationship, in which your real property has been transferred into a government trust, and you are given authorized permission to use their property (warranty deed). Further, your property tax is based on a commercial classification which has been assigned to your real property. I guarantee you that your property has been classified as either agricultural, industrial, or residential. Each of these is commercial in nature (the legal definition of "resident" is a class of government official; residential is a house in which a government official lives). There are three ways to lawfully opt out of property taxes: obtain allodial title, un-record your property, or have your real property re-classified as private. Allodial title means supreme ownership. In the united States of America, all property is allodial in nature. This means that all property is subject to supreme ownership by the people. This also means that federal government activities which take private or public land to use for environmental or biosphere purposes, are illegally stolen from the people, who are their rightful owners. If you can obtain allodial title to your real property, you will have effectively created an envelope in which you reign supreme (e.g. the King has allodial title to the castle and the kingdom). No zoning ordinances, easements, bureaucratic regulations, state or federal law have any effect on property held in allodium. Literally, you have created a kingdom in the midst of bureaucratic chaos, and you will never again receive any property tax assessments. Needless to say, the government does not want you to obtain allodial title to your property, and they will actively work to prevent you from doing so. There are three main steps toward acquiring allodial title. First, the property must be completely paid off. No mortgage, lien. or other attachment can exist. Second, you must go to the County Recorder and do a title search. Do it yourself; do not have an attorney (vested interest) or title company representative do it for you, because nobody has as much interest as you in the results. Do the search yourself. You must search back to the original land grants, ensuring that there are no hidden clouds on the title. Once you have completed a successful title search, file for a federal land patent on the land on which the property is located (if the property is in one of the original thirteen states, you will need to go to the state for a land patent - no federal land patents exist for these states). Now comes the hardest part. Every piece of recorded real property is used to collateralize government loans, so your real property has public debt attached to it. You need to find out the amount of the public debt (approximately seven times the annual property tax) and the holder of the debt, then pay it off. The government doesn´t want you to accomplish this, so they will work against you. I suggest you burn the research candle at both ends, so to speak. Contact the County Recorder in the county where the property is located. Contact the Department of the Interior in Washington, D.C. Be prepared in both instances to meet with clerks who do not know what you are talking about. Ask for supervisors until you get someone who can help you. If you can successfully identify and pay off the public debt on your real property, contact us at Freedom Bound (888-385-3733) and we will help you with the final filings with the County Clerk to obtain allodial title. The process of un-recording your property is easier, though not quite as solid. It is based on the fact that you are assessed a tax based upon using government services (County Recorder) to which you are not entitled or mandated. The process involves transferring ownership to another party, notifying the County Recorder that a transfer has been completed, then having the property - after a reasonable time period has passed - transferred back into your name. If done correctly, the property is not recorded anymore, and there will be no further tax assessments. A man in Massachusetts had 160 acres and wanted to give two of them to his son. He called the Tax Assessor and asked him to reduce his assessment to 158 acres. The Assessor did so. The son never recorded his two acres. twelve and a half years passed. The son now wanted to borrow money on his two acres. The bank said they would loan him the money, but only if he recorded the property first. He wanted the money, so he recorded the property. Two weeks later, he received a property tax statement - for the current year only! The past twelve years went un-assessed - no tax! If you want to pursue this option, I suggest you contact the Peoples Rights Academy (www.peoples-rights.com or 302-645-8253). They have a very good guaranteed program which will help you to do this. The final method of opting out of property tax is one which I developed a couple of years ago. It involves the classification of property, on which the assessed tax is based. Property which is taxed is always identified by one of three commercial classifications: residential, industrial or agricultural. Private property cannot be taxed! Contact your Tax Assessor and ask for a written explanation of the numbered codes appearing on your property tax statement. Once you have deciphered the statement, you will find your property classified by one of the above commercial designations. Write a letter to your Tax Assessor, explaining that you have discovered an error in your tax statement. Do not mention the tax itself, as the error in question relates only to the classification. Explain that your property has mistakenly been classified as ____________ (agricultural, industrial, residential), and to please correct the classification to read "private." Ask the Assessor to notify you by mail once the matter has been handled. Be polite and sign the letter, using words like "Sincerely", "Best wishes", etc. There is no reason be belligerent at this point. If the Assessor honors your wishes, you will never see a property tax statement again. If, as is more likely, the Assessor writes back, refusing to adjust his records, you may now open up discussion as to why not. Ask whether you have the right to own private property. He will say yes, of course. Ask why he refuses to classify it as private property. He will either explain to you that he cannot tax property unless it is classified pursuant to constitutional limitations (residential, industrial, agricultural), or he will reveal to you that you do not really own the property (in which case he has admitted to fraud, nullifying the transfer of property in the first place, since you were not aware of what you were doing at the time). In either case, once the Assessor brings up taxation, you can now make the argument that your real property has been re-classified, without your permission, for the sole purpose of taxation. This is the firm basis for a lawsuit. There is a Tax Assessor (not a clerk, the actual Assessor) in Tennessee who has admitted that he cannot tax private property. He can, if necessary, be subpoenaed to testify. There is a private Citizen in Tennessee, who has not received a penny in property tax assessments on his private land (160 acres or so) for over fifteen years! If you need it for a court case, he will sign an affidavit so stating. In other words, the precedent exists and therefore, if you pursue it, you cannot lose! This method is relatively new (I came up with it a couple of years ago) and so it has little track record. However, it is based upon sound law and I invite you to try it out on your real property. Please let me know how it goes. Remember, in the united States of America, each Citizen has the right to live his/her life without paying any taxes at all! All taxes are voluntary! Learn why you pay taxes and you can learn how to stop paying them. And for those who insist that you are somehow hurting people by not paying taxes to the government, when the government starts living within the limitations which We the People have imposed on them; when they stop violating our natural rights and show that they can be trusted with the powers We the People have granted them, when they stop trying to force us to pay for their socialist, un-American programs, then we will consider whether they are worthy of receiving a portion of the fruit of our labor. Until then, I say let the government starve! http://www.freedomradio.us/article27.htm ALLODIAL TITLE / LAND PATENT After some research, this is what I´ve found on the subject: 1) Get 3 certified copies of the origional land patent and 1 certified copy of record of government survey (if available) for the legal description of your property. Request "best copy available" from national archives. Expect to pay $30 for a copy and get it in 1-3 weeks. 2) Record 1 of these certified copies of the origional land patent with the county recorders office. The recorder number will be the land patent number you will refer to in your Declaration of Land Patent. 3) Determine the legal description of your property (from tax statement, deed, real estate contract, or tax assessor´s office) to which you are an assign. Get property description narrative (get range #, township #, section #, get quarter section in metes and bounds) 4) Research the assigns (i.e. heirs, owners), on the property back to the origional issue of patent. Discover the chain of assigns pertinent to your portion of the land patent and attach to your Declaration of Land Patent. 5) Prepare a Declaration of Land Patent and update it in one name. It cannot be updated in two names, nor in the names of a husband and wife, otherwise it will cloud the title in case of a divorce. Other equitable arrangements can be made to further sub-divide the ownership or allodial title of the property, or it could be put into a trust. Declaration of Land Patents must be updated in the name of a real individual, not a legal fiction. No legal "persons" are allowed to hold title to property, you cannot allodialize property in the name of a trust, corporation, or non-profit. 6) Record the Declaration of Land Patent in either your county recorder´s office, register of deeds, or with the bureau of records and conveyances of your common law court. Notorize or witness all documents. Do not send checks or cash. Use postal money orders or gold/silver certificates. Note: conveying title with negiotiable instruments voids the allodial title. 7) After filing, send a copy by certified mail return reciept requested as a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent to your bank or mortgage company, or to any parties with equitable interest in your property including the county tax assessor. 8) An alternate method to notice the other parties would be to publish a Notice of Declaration of Land Patent in a legal publication in your county (once a week for 3 weeks, or for the full 60 days.) 9) Post Notice of Declaration of Land Patent at the 4 corners of your property and leave them posted for 60 days (witnessed) 10) They have 60 days to challenge your claim to the allodial title, or forever keep their silence. An allodial title is the highest title to property. If you see any errors in the above, or care to elaborate, please let me know. http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=1933 |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:09 pm EST |
I haven´t paid property taxes on my land for over 4 years ... no problems! |
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$Poor 2/22/2005 5:18 pm EST |
Thanks for the info FM. This along with the income tax info i´ve recently learned of should greatly inprove my quality of life. |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:31 pm EST |
‘After exclusive jurisdiction over lands within a State have been ceded to the United States, private property located thereon is not subject to taxation by the State, nor can state statutes enacted subsequent to the transfer have any operation therein.’ Surplus Trading Company v. Cook, 281 U.S. 647; Western Union Telegraph Co. v. Chiles, 214 U.S. 274; http://www.theawaregroup.com/understandpat.htm In America today people think they own their land, but unless they have the Land Patent on the land they do not own it. The artticles below are an introduction to Land Patents and how to obtain one. Do you own your land? Understanding how Land Patents work. Steps to secure a Land Patent claim. NEW! Land Patent package http://www.theawaregroup.com/landpatents.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:42 pm EST |
See you in jail! |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:44 pm EST |
Nice....great way to get your house taken away for failure to pay taxes. If the town or county doesn´t do the bank holding your mortgage will. |
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FREE MAN 2/22/2005 5:45 pm EST |
“No more can private property be so taken away by judicial decision and handed over, gratis, to the State. ‘The touchstone of due process is the protection of the individual against arbitrary action of the government.’” Hughes v. Washington, 389 U.S. 290, 294-298 (1967); California ex rel. State Lands Commission v. United States, No. 89 Original (June 18, 1982); Waterman v. Smith, 13 Cal. 373 (1859); Chipley v. Farris, 45 Cal. 527 (1873); Cassidy v. Carr, 48 Cal. 339 (1874); Los Angeles Farming & Milling Co. v. Thompson, 117 Cal. 594, 49 P. 714 (1897), aff’d sub nom. Thompson v. Los Angeles Farming & Milling Co., 180 U.S. 71 (1901); Leese v. Clark, 18 Cal. 535 (1861); A patent is the highest evidence of title, and is conclusive as against the Government, and all claiming under junior patents or titles until it is set aside or annulled by some judicial tribunal in a direct proceeding for that purpose. Moore v. Robins, 96 U.S. 533. With the patent passes away all authority or control of the executive department over the land, and over the title which it has conveyed. Noble v. Union River Logging Ry., 147 U.S. 175; Hardin v. Jordan, 140 U.S. 400. In the case of lands granted under a Land patent, a “connected documentary chain of evidence” is on public record at the Recorder of Deeds for the county in which the land is located. Even the sovereign States themselves do not have the power to overturn Land patents and their effects upon the land, namely, the severance from the interference in them by the administration of government. Gibson v. Chouteau, 13 Wall. 92, 102 (1871). In order that this distribution of Public Lands could be carried out expeditiously and according to the desire to prevent the current, or any future, administration of government from invading property rights (as had the King), Congress placed the Land patent of the United States in positions above all other conveyances of property, by exempting lands granted under the Land patent from debt incurred prior to the patenting. Ruddy v. Rossi, 248 U.S. 104, 107 (1918). The effect of this legislation was to give to the patentee, once the patent was perfected via proper procedure, an ability to hold title that is nearly absolute. Steel v. Smelting Co., 106 U.S. 447, 454 (1882). The validity of the patent could not be attacked except under fraud or clerical error and either of these circumstances has to be proven in a court of law, and the challenge must be brought within six months of the granting of the patent. In fact, in a court of law, the patent is the conclusive proof of legal title. Id. 452 Furthermore, the states may not legislate a superior, or even an equal, instrument to the Land patent. Bagnell et. al. v. Broderick, 13 Pet. 436, 451 (1839). The patent serves to protect the patentee’s land from all incursions of administrative power. United States v. Stone, 2 Wall. 525, 535 (1864). |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:47 pm EST |
"Nice....great way to get your house taken away for failure to pay taxes. If the town or county doesn´t do the bank holding your mortgage will." Ignorant buffoons ... go back to your caves and the lick the boots that you serve! Once you know the law, you would realize exactly how ignorant you really are! |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 5:50 pm EST |
Land Patents Understanding how they work "Land, protected by Land Patent, can’t lawfully be seized for debt or taxes." Therefore, no mortgage or tax liability can stand against a Land Patent. http://www.theawaregroup.com/understandpat.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 6:28 pm EST |
http://www.teamlaw.org/ |
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me 2/22/2005 6:34 pm EST |
I have learned that the new world I live in ..the world of the poor , I make sure I don´t do any improvements to my home that may increase value . There for , as long as I make it look like a eye soar and a dump I can get a low tax apprasial . What a world ..everything is ass backwards ...I go out of my way to make my house look as bad as possible ...how eles will I be able to live ....God forbide if I fixed it up , they would double my taxes... |
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KNOW YOUR LAND RIGHTS.... 2/22/2005 6:42 pm EST |
KNOW YOUR LAND RIGHTS.... If the government is telling you what you can do on your land or how you can use it - start learning about: "Your Rights" After 20 years of Federal Land Rights research, I present this WEBSITE. This Site will be addressing REAL and PERSONAL PROPERTY rights from all legal aspects. All of our rights start with ownership of REAL (land) and PERSONAL PROPERTY. http://www.landrights.com/ |
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Bill Munro 2/22/2005 6:59 pm EST |
December of 1999 was the biggest single achievement in 18 years of the land movement. In December I was involved with two court cases that were for building code violations. The first one was a federal case, in Detroit, Michigan. Mike Wyckstandt of Goodland Township, Lapeer County, Michigan, was the defendant. That case was December 8, 1999. The case was very well put together; it was very easy to understand. The case started out with the land patent. Michael was pro se. As he proceded the judge became less interested in what he had to say. In fact the judge was seemingly upset. He interrupted Michaels pleading and made his ruling, to send the case back down to the lower court. Michael did get to ask the Judge where the law is that gives the local political subdivision jurisdiction over the federally patented private land, he stated very clearly, “I don´t know”. We have seven witnesses to testify to that. We don´t have the transcript yet but it is on order and we will see if it is there. And yet he ruled against Mike. Mike did not get a chance to plead the 42 USCS 1982. We left the courtroom feeling very bad. We know we did not get our day in court. At this point we did not know what to do next. We stopped on the way home to have something to eat and to discuss what happened in court. We discussed many things and we realize that we were asking for the entire apple. If the judge had ruled in Mike´s favor, all of southeastern Michigan would have been without building codes. And without the huge amount of money that would come into the government coffers. That would´ve been too much of a shock on the government to stand. This does not mean that the land patent is a dead issue, it is well and good and valid. To use the land patent it will work very well when used for a single parcel of land. Like stopping eminent domain. Our government is so out of control that even the courts cannot rectify it. The other was, a State Court Case. It was in the Oakland County, Michigan, Circuit Court. This case started out Dec. 15th, 1999. This is another pro se case. This case is Eric Jeffrey v. White Lake Township. He went to the Township to get a permit to rehab his house. He found as he was going along, his house was not sound enough to rehab it. He went back to the Township and asked for assistance in resolving this problem. He had already taken the house back down to the foundation. The Township did not seem to want to work with him to rectify this situation. So he felt it there was only one solution and that was to start building the house without a permit. He was living in an apartment, with limited number of days to live there. The building inspector put a stop work order on the house. Then a court order to stop building on the house, he ignored that too. Then he went to court. The proceedings started. The prosecutor gave opening statements. He had two code enforcement officers on the witness stand. He asked them several questions about the violation of the building codes. He asked about working on the house with a stop work order from the court. Then the judge asked her clerk” where are these peoples pleadings”. The clerk told her they were in the office she had forgotten them. The judge then postponed the case for two weeks. On the 29th of December 1999 he went back to court. Eric went in and sat down in the Docket. The prosecutor got up and gave his pleadings. The judge said a few words and then began to read her opinion. When she was through reading her opinion, she told Eric, to go get a building permit. End of hearing. Eric did not get to say ONE WORD in his defense. Had Eric had his day in court as he was supposed to get, he was not going to talk about the land patent. He was going to talk about the 42 USCS 1982, 1983 and 1986. Eric knew if the land patent did not go in a federal court it was not going to go in the state court. The civil rights status seems to be something the elected and appointed officials do not want to hear. All court orders are in writing. What we have learned is we´re going to have to get our rights back in the same manner as they were taken away from us, a little bit at a time. When we are served papers for code violations. We will have to notify the person who signed the papers and their superiors that we will file civil rights violations using the 42 USCS 1982, the 1983 and the 1986. Tell them they will be sued personally and individually. Notify them they are working under color of law and they have no qualified immunity. Here is how I handle a violation. When the person contacts me with an oral stop work order. I use a civil rights package, consisting of all of the things that are located at: http://www.landrights.com/42USC1982.htm I print everything out with the exception of the long cases. If the cases are more than eight pages long, I only use the first eight pages. You have to remember these people are not taught law, so give them all of the court cases and sites and footnotes that are in the 42 USCS 1982, 1983, and 1986. You should put proof of service with all of these documents. If it is possible, set up a meeting to discuss this legal material with their attorney and the head of the department that gave you the warning to stop work. Let them know this is a civil rights violation on their part, and if they persist you will file civil rights violation in the federal court using the material you presented them with. After a few of these people are sued successfully the government will be hard pressed to get people to serve papers on real and personal property violations. I live in a house that is 165 years old. I live in a historical district. Any changes to any house or building are suppose to go before the historical district for permission to make any changes. I do not ask them for permission to do anything. I do not update any construction that I do. I maintain the structure, as it was when it was originally built. To maintain a window, I duplicate the original, to all dimensions. This keeps the house to its original structure. I have a new garage, which was built over the original. The garage is within keeping of the house in its structure. I did not get a permit to tear the old garage down, nor to put the new one up. I had no inspections on the structure or the electrical. The day we put the tin on the roof, the building inspector drove by, within 25 feet of me, to give the lady in back of me her permit to use her deck, that she got a permit to build. If you have your ducks in a row and they know it, they will leave you alone. Bill Munro Email: land@landrights.com |
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Anonymous Coward 2/22/2005 10:47 pm EST |
´Apportionment works like this: say the United States government wants to raise 500 million dollars for the "war effort." Say, too, that California has ten (10%) percent of the population. California gets a bill for 50 million dollars." People with income are the only people that can pay bills and supreme moron thinks little babies and children are going to be billed? The only way to become rich is by theft...period...There is no other way... |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 9:28 am EST |
TRESPASSING There seems to be a problem with code enforcement, building inspectors, assessors and process servers that have been told they can enter on private property as they see fit. When homeowners attempt to file a complaint with the police department the officers refuse to take the complaint. The government will back up these people with attorneys. So they have no fear of cost to defend themselves. There is a way to stop the political subdivision picking up the tab. BUT you have to have your property posted. (NO TRESPASSING, KEEP OUT, LAND USE FEE $5,000 PER PERSON PER DAY, OR ANY PART THEREOF or such signs.) Take pictures of the signs and the entrance of the trespass. BE SURE you have proof of a trespass. Take pictures; obtain witnesses or other tangible proof. These will be used in court. Bill the trespassers in writing that they owe you the fee that is on the sign. Tell them you will lower the fee to what the small claims court will allow. That could be $1,500. Let them know that if they ignore this, you will file a claim in the small clams court. They cannot have an attorney with them in this court. Refer to the Legal brief and the court order for trespassing. Click here ====> "NO TRESPASSING" to see sample Sign. Legal Opinion Page 1 Legal Opinion Page 2 Court Order http://www.landrights.com/trespassing_intro.htm |
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Wilbur 2/23/2005 9:33 am EST |
Land Grants and Patents with David Wilbur Johnson Mr. Johnson has always been a history buff primarily in naval warfare of the 17th and early 18th centuries. In 1974 he attended, as a spectator, a Revolutionary War Reenactment and was intrigued with a artillery unit whom he discovered was based in this area; Pontiac, Michigan. Needless to say he was caught; hook, line and sinker! This artillery unit was a member of an international historical society; The Brigade of the American Revolution, which still exists today. Before any item of clothing or equipment was used on the field in front of the public one had to present 3 primary and 5 secondary sources of documentation along with that sources of documentation along with that particular item to a committee of this historical society for acceptance. Consequently, one had to learn the Who, How, Why, What, Where and When to obtain this complete source of documentation. Due to this type of research one dug into original books, diaries and manuscripts written during the Revolutionary War time period. The more one read the more one realized that this original information did not follow what did not follow what one had been taught in public school. He wrote a couple of articles about Bounty Warrants which the original states and the subsequent United States of America issued to the Revolutionary War veterans as compensation. These Warrants were for the conveyance of land which promoted settlements west of the Allegheny mountains. It was through this mere historical research he discovered about land grant patents, treaties and property rights. He will present records to stand by his teachings. Click on the PLAY button below. The classes are delivered in RealAudio format and will afford you the opportunity to listen to some or all of the talk each week on a recorded basis and are available to you here on this site 24 hours a day, seven days a week. http://www.wces.org/html_files/landgrants.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 9:45 am EST |
A lot of words here, but not much understanding of what is going on. Basically, property taxes are levied because the people in a given town need to have a way to pay for government services that they desire. Different towns desire different levels of service, hence differing property tax rates in different locations. The property tax rate is one thing that you should look at very closely before you decide to buy a house. It is very unlikely that your neighbors will quickly change their opinion about what the appropriate level of property taxes should be. If you move into an area with high property taxes, you have nobody but yourself to blame. And if you are trying to find a way to stop paying your taxes while your neighbors continue to pay theirs, then you are what is known as a free rider, which in my book is a lot worse than a socialist. |
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Soothsayer 2/23/2005 10:25 am EST  |
I would be interested in hearing more about this "Land Patent" thing. It has been my understanding that there are property taxes because the homeowner does not actually own the land. After all, do you not pay taxes on something you own. If you do not pay property tax do they not take the land from you? |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 10:31 am EST |
Listen to Senator Madsen speak about the legal lawful authority of land patents: http://www.teamlaw.org/LandPatents.ram If you right click and "save target as.." you can download it and listen as you roam around the forum. It is a "realplayer" audio. |
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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 11:29 am EST |
"Basically, property taxes are levied because the people in a given town need to have a way to pay for government services that they desire." All taxes, federal, state and local shall ONLY be levied in compliance and pursuant to Articles 1, section 2, section 8 and section 9 of US Constitution .... period! All other taxation is either illegal or VOLUNTARY! My research indicates that all real property was hypothecated by a series of stairstepping "liens" to the Federal Reserve Bankers to back the dollar system. Said lien is part and parcel of a obfuscated "adhesion contract" that is VOLUNTARILY entered into a TRUST by the property owner via covert hidden contract[s]. The property taxes also known as "ad valorem" taxes are all a part of the system to support the demand fundamentals that gives value to the non-value based fiat currency. For if, there is no artificial demand backed by fiat government legislation and threat of confiscation, the dollar and check book equivalents are just pieces of paper and the fraud of money is exposed ... {J.M. Keynes) "If, however, a government refrains from regulations and allows matters to take their course, essential commodities soon attain a level of price out of the reach of all but the rich, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent, and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer." --John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 240 Now some say, "property taxes" pay for government services, and in part this is true, however, all indirect taxes (excise, duty and impost) pursuant the constitution are required to be collected at "point of sale!" In other words, County taxes are constitutionally to be collected as excise taxes on goods and services consumed in that particular jurisdiction. This leads to serious problems when one jurisdiction is prudently managed and their treasury is not raided by the socialists do-gooders. Consider, County A is responsible in fiscal management, while County B next door is mismanaged .... Gasoline in County A is $1.99 per gallon, while in County B, due to their treasury, services and debt mismanagment, Gasoline costs $2.59 per gallon. WHY? Because County B must levy a higher excise tax to balance their fiscal mismanagement! In the end, "County B" is doomed, as a high percentage of the Citizens that live and reside in County B will conduct trade and commerce in County A where the "excise taxes," hence the overall general pricing structure is much lower .... County B would also be forced to resort to placing higher excise taxes on the LOCAL producers and manufacturers of goods and services in the respective jurisdiction. Once County B begins this process, the producers and manufacturers would flee and relocate out of jurisdiction County B! They of course would relocate to County A where the tax laibilities are much lower and profits much higher. The unconstitutional, unlawful and illegal uniform property (ad valorem)tax schemes that are repugnant to the constitution have been installed nationwide to eliminate these risks to the bond creditors ... a.k.a. the NY & Crown City Bankster monopolies that sell bonds to the state, county and local governments and collect interest off of the fiat currency they create out of thin air. The uniform property (ad valorem) tax schemes are designed to allow economic balance between the several state political subdivisions known counties in the taxing scheme.... said dellusional balance, thru equal "DIRECT" taxation scheme is designed to prevent the mismanaged counties from defaulting on their debt. Once again, our "rights of allodial property ownership" has been stolen thru trickery by the den of vipers (banksters, financiers and usurers) to their enurement, benefit and advantage! Keep in mind, there is a "hidden contract" that ties you to the VOLUNTARY property (ad valorem) tax scheme. All VALID contracts must provide for termination of the agreement (REFL: Uniform Commercial Code). Thus, if one seeks to avoid state and local property taxation, one must terminate the contract and any associated liens that prevent the resumption of allodial status and title held in allodium! Also be cognizant and aware that any "personal real property" held in allodial status outside of the government banking monopoly system is forbidden by banking acts, rules and regulations to be eligible for mortgage or collateralization of loans by the system, however, some private individuals ignorant of land patents and real property rights may advance loans on said real property. Americans possess the legal, lawful right of allodial property and title held in allodium. Do not fall for the nonsense that "one whom avoids ILLEGAL taxation" thru legal methods by claiming allodial property is an irresponsikle scumbag. It is these people afterall that are reliant upon this theft by deception system that are committing crimes to support themselves. They rely upon an ignorant public to adhere to their schemes, but in the end, they too are nothing but ignorant pawns, dupes and knaves in a much bigger game played by the banksters, socialists, communists and NWO players! Caveat Emptor HYPOTHECATED PROPERTY QUOTES: "Is there any reason why the American people should be taxed to guarantee the debts of banks, any more than they should be taxed to guarantee the debts of other institutions, including merchants, the industries, and the mills of the country?" --Senator Carter Glass, Author of the Banking Act of 1933 "Where would we be if we had I.O.U.´s scrip and certificates floating all around the country?" Instead he decided to "issue currency against the sound assets of the banks. [As opposed to issuing currency against gold.] The Federal Reserve Act lets us print all we´ll need. And it won´t frighten the people. It won´t look like stage money. It´ll be money that looks like real money." [Emphasis added.] (Source: ´Closed for the Holiday: The Bank Holiday of 1933´, p20 - Federal Reserve Bank of Boston) -- Treasury Secretary Woodin, 3/7/33 "Those who create and issue money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people." --Rt. Hon. Reginald McKenna, former Chancellor of Exchequer, England |
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Libertarian 2/23/2005 11:36 am EST |
The Other Road to Serfdom, A history of the abuse of money, by Arthur Swan http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/ipb-archi...e/24serfdom.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 11:37 am EST |
"Basically, property taxes are levied because the people in a given town need to have a way to pay for government services that they desire." >All taxes, federal, state and local shall ONLY >be levied in compliance and pursuant to >Articles 1, section 2, section 8 and section 9 >of US Constitution .... period! All other >taxation is either illegal or VOLUNTARY! There are two possibilities here. One is that you want everybody to stop paying taxes, in which case there will be no government services. Most people would find that to be a problem, but I suppose there could be people who are willing to do without any government services. If this is the case, than you look pretty brain dead for moving into a locality where most people want government services. The other possibility is that you want other people to pay taxes, just not you. That makes you a freeloader. I doubt that the law is really on you side, Mr. Freeloader, but in any event it is clear what you are. |
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Anonymous Coward 193 2/23/2005 12:43 pm EST |
This is all total BS. The issue of land patents, direct/indirect, taxation, etc., ghave no relavance. All local governments have recognized taxing authority. Remember that the Constitution grants to the states all powers not specifically reserved to the fedral government or specifically forbidden. The real idiocy here is to think that the government would let any such "legal loopholes" continue to exist, IF they had EVER existed before. Only the bozos promoting this crap know about this great deal that lets you avoid taxes. The government does nothing, just sits back and lets its revenue base be destroyed. Its the same mumbo jumbo as thing that the UCC applies to income tax or that writing your name in capitals frees you from having to pay income tax. If you but those ideas, I will give you a GREAT deal on this big bridge that I want to sell..... |
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Anonymous Coward 212 2/23/2005 12:52 pm EST |
everyone protesting the idea of not paying taxes is missing some very important points including: how can it be more efficient for you to get said services from the government than from a private party or company? answer: it can´t! we give a dollar to the government, they spend 50 cents deciding how to give the 50 cents that are left back to you the way THEY see fit - oftentimes in ways that nobody even wants! why don´t we simply keep that money and pay DIRECTLY to a private party or company for said service, thus saving HALF of our money to either have TWICE as much services or the same services for HALF the money? all of you claiming those of us that fight illegal taxation as freeloaders really need to pay attention to what i´m saying because your wrong, we can NEVER get better services from the government than we can give to ourselves...you´ve been brainwashed to believe that paying any and all taxes is being a good american citizen, but actually nothing could be further from the truth, you are basically a slave to a machine that you created - how you ask? by paying taxes! |
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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 1:01 pm EST |
Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 11:37 am EST WRONG again Mr Socialist thief .... I was merely pointing out that all taxes must be laid in conformity of the constitution[s] (federal & state), namely that all state and local taxes by law are to be laid thru either "DIRECT" or "INDIRECT TAXATION," namely indirect excise, duties and imposts (Art. I, sec. 8) Get this straight, I certainly never indicated I was anti-taxation nor against providing government services requested by the people. Only the means the illegal tax is collected! The current scheme is designed to covertly regulate and retain the residents and commerce in each jurisdiction thru a perceived equal taxation scheme. Said scheme also covers up the financial mismanagement and blunders of the elected and unelected bureacrats in every jurisdiction the scheme is operated. If local taxation were levied thru "excise taxes only," the Citizens of "County B" would begin asking and comparing the general price structures between Counties A & B. They would ask: "WHY are the ´EXCISE TAXES´ on our local goods and services so much higher than County A?" At this point, when the truth was known, namely that tax revenues had been squandered or overspent, the local socialist bureacratic spenders and their care free special interest spending of the hard earned tax payer funds would run for cover or face the hang mans noose! The current property tax scheme is a fraudulent "collective" scheme that prevents the Citizens from realizing the "ACTUAL" cost of the services provided and managed by inept unelected government employees. IMO, if the "real costs" were transparent and known by the taxpayors, the Citizens would employ an alternative cost effective means to provide the same services. In other words, the bond issuers would lose a customer (debt slave) and the Bureaucrats control over all things would decline. It is in the general interest of career Bureaucrats to keep the fraud in play .... for how would their careers grow and climb if the Citizens found cost effective non-bureaucratic growth alternatives to their spend and tax schemes. The Bureaucrats produce nothing, they are totally reliant upon the Citizens generousity to fund their existence. Thus they rely upon the ignorance of the general publics jural knowledge to build their dellusional fiefdoms based upon corrupt lies. The truth is coming out .... and there is nothing that can stop the truth. All lies must collapse, for the lie relies on the continuation of stronger and more powerful fraudulent inputs to support the lies. Sooner or later, the inputs growe out of control, they lose all credibility and collapse into the ashes ... but of course at that point, the schemers construct a new lie to cover up the collapsing lie. The truth requires no inputs to fuel itself, it is iron, infinite and indestructable, while lies are finite and fragile. The truth is what every statist, socialist, communist, tyrant and bureaucrat FEARS! |
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William Cooper 2/23/2005 1:05 pm EST |
If you don´t pay your taxes they will find some way to harrass you everyday and make your life a living hell. Eventually, they will find a way to kill you and make it look like it was your fault. |
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REAL Dave nli 2/23/2005 1:06 pm EST |
you can´t argue with people who are obviously being fed by Uncle Sam, either through paycheck or welfare check. These people have BLIND FAITH and don´t care that the gov´t taxes you and me, because that´s how they make a living. Leeches, they are. And those who seem to WANT to pay taxes out of the goodness of their heart are just misguided fools who don´t understand that gov´t is corrupt and inefficient. I think the gov´t would do fine just by having marathons every year like jerry lewis, or sending us all a voluntary bill that we could mark off services we use and want to pay for or even welfare benefits for the poor. Most of us would give at least 5-10% of our income to keep roads looking nice, infrastructures in place, and to keep a decent sized military machine ON HOLD for a REAL necessity. Gov´t is simply out of control in all ways and the insult on top of injury are these fools that don´t know the difference. dave |
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Anonymous Coward 235 2/23/2005 1:09 pm EST |
The government is like the mob? What about this do you not understand?
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Anonymous Coward 235 2/23/2005 1:11 pm EST |
Who the !@#$ said we didn´t know the difference? Just who are you referring to? |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 1:18 pm EST |
"I think the gov�t would do fine just by having marathons every year like jerry lewis, or sending us all a voluntary bill that we could mark off services we use and want to pay for or even welfare benefits for the poor. Most of us would give at least 5-10% of our income to keep roads looking nice, infrastructures in place, and to keep a decent sized military machine ON HOLD for a REAL necessity." Telethon? No Social Security? A lot of people would disagree with you there. No interest payments on the national debt? We don´t want to be international deadbeats, do we? Let´s see some numbers. Take the Federal budget, and see if you can cut expenditures in half. I bet you don´t have any idea what the government spends money on. |
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AC 666 2/23/2005 1:25 pm EST |
"Most of us would give at least 5-10% of our income" The question is whether Bill Gates and other wealthy people would give 5-10% of their income. Why should they? They don´t get anywhere near that level of government service. So if your argument is that everybody should get their money´s worth, then Gates and company won´t pay anything at all. And you will find that your paltry 5-10% won´t buy very much at all. |
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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 1:27 pm EST |
Anonymous Coward 193 2/23/2005 12:43 pm EST You are an ignorant publicly financed state educated moron that possesses absolutely no comprehension or understanding of the constitutions! Yes the several states possessed reserved rights, however all taxation must conform with the "compact treaty" known as US Constitution! For example: 2.01 Common law and certain statutes declared in force.--The common and statute laws of England which are of a general and not a local nature, with the exception hereinafter mentioned, down to the 4th day of July, 1776, are declared to be of force in this state; provided, the said statutes and common law be not inconsistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States and the acts of the Legislature of this state. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0002/SEC01.HTM&Title=->2004->Ch0002->Section%2001#0002.01 "provided, the said statutes and common law be not inconsistent with the Constitution!" Duh, you ignorant moron, the several states are by constitutional treaty are prevented from enacting ANY laws or legislation repugnant to the constitution or they are null and void! (infra) And further more, all rules and regulations are enacted to shackle the Bureacrats and state employees, the [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen´s protection against the government." (infra) ´All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.´-- Marbury vs Madison "If the legislatures of the several states may, at will, annul the judgments of the courts of the United States, and destroy the rights acquired under those judgments, the constitution itself becomes a solemn mockery ... " United States v. Peters, 5 Cranch 115, 136. "All codes, rules and regulations are applicable to the government authorities only, not human/Creators in accordance with God´s laws. All codes, rules and regulations are unconstitutional and lacking in due process ..." Rodriques v Ray Donavan [U.S. Department of Labor,] 769 F. 2d 1344, 1348 [1985] "A State acts by its legislative, its executive, or its judicial authorities. It can act in no [358 U.S. 1, 17] other way. The constitutional provision, therefore, must mean that no agency of the State, or of the officers or agents by whom its powers are exerted, shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Whoever, by virtue of public position under a State government, ... denies or takes away the equal protection of the laws, violates the constitutional inhibition; and as he acts in the name and for the State, and is clothed with the State´s power, his act is that of the State. This must be so, or the constitutional prohibition has no meaning. Ex parte Virginia, 100 U.S. 339,347." "Every state legislator and executive and judicial officer is solemnly committed by oath taken pursuant to Art. VI, cl. 3, ´to support this Constitution.´ Chief Justice Taney, speaking for a unanimous Court in 1859, said that this requirement reflected the framers´ ´anxiety to preserve it [the Constitution] in full force, in all its powers, and to guard against resistance to or evasion of its authority, on the part of a State ..." Ableman v. Booth, 21 How. 506, 524.´ [Quote copied from Cooper v Aaron, 358 U.S. 1, 1958] |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 1:33 pm EST |
"You are an ignorant publicly financed state educated moron that possesses absolutely no comprehension or understanding of the constitutions! Yes the several states possessed reserved rights, however all taxation must conform with the "compact treaty" known as US Constitution! Yada, yada, yada" The question for you, FREE MAN, is what government services you think we can do without. And how do you propose that the government pay for the remaining services? |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 1:39 pm EST |
There are two people one is an employer and one is an employee... The employer arranges work for the employee and makes sure it is done and is paid $200 and he then pays the employee $100 but deducts $50 in tax from the pay of the employee...Of course without telling the employee about the tax. And the employer tells the employee that if he ever is in a bind the employer will lend him some money to "help" him... Oh thank you says the slave to the master... How are you going to escape that? In the USSR the Interest and Taxes were kept invisible... How to gain friends and influence people...One of the Absolute capitalist Holy Books. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002 § 3002. Definitions (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States. http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html TITLE 28 > PART V > CHAPTER 127 > § 2007 § 2007. Imprisonment for debt (a) A person shall not be imprisoned for debt on a writ of execution or other process issued from a court of the United States in any State wherein imprisonment for debt has been abolished. All modifications, conditions, and restrictions upon such imprisonment provided by State law shall apply to any writ of execution or process issued from a court of the United States in accordance with the procedure applicable in such State. (b) Any person arrested or imprisoned in any State on a writ of execution or other process issued from any court of the United States in a civil action shall have the same jail privileges and be governed by the same regulations as persons confined in like cases on process issued from the courts of such State. The same requirements governing discharge as are applicable in such State shall apply. Any proceedings for discharge shall be conducted before a United States magistrate judge for the judicial district wherein the defendant is held. http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00002007----000-.html |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 1:57 pm EST |
"The employer arranges work for the employee and makes sure it is done and is paid $200 and he then pays the employee $100 but deducts $50 in tax from the pay of the employee...Of course without telling the employee about the tax. And the employer tells the employee that if he ever is in a bind the employer will lend him some money to "help" him..." Is this supposed to be about the United States? One thing is pretty clear here - taxes are not kept secret. And the primary use of taxes is not to lend or even give money to unemployed people. The primary government expenditures in this country are military, social security, and interest on the national debt. You may feel a little less bitter if you make some effort to learn where your tax money really goes. |
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Ghost Avatar 2/23/2005 2:52 pm EST  |
taxes the Taxes are essentially the final form of law induced slavery. You are "taxed" but the authority to directly tax you is a fraud. People in denial and ignorance believe the nonsense that "taxation" pays for services---- Absolutely does not never will. Taxes pay for the right to use the money printed by the feds. The money used as legal tender is artificial money. Think of this as if you have three apples in front of you.... The first apple from your tree is as good as nature gets... the second is full of worms and the third is made of plastic. The second apple is what the FEDS give you as the worm represents the interest which must always consume the very apple it is vested in as a consequence. The third apple, which is plastic, is what you are being taxed upon as wages, goods, land so on and so forth. Taxes keep people from making extra effort as the reward always goes to the government. Taxes are ruthless methods of taking something from the producer by those who have no claim on the goods or services by ANY OTHER METHOD. The "Authority" to take from People in this Republic was to be by consent. People do not recognize any "Authority" higher then themselves except for the CREATOR. The Roman Catholic Church and its Laws were not to be allowed to usurp the the right of the People...to Wit to be cast into financial slavery from birth to death by LAWS of which they have no representation or voice...this is why the PEOPLE in this Republic have separation of powers both government and church. We are the Living Proof that America lost the real war at hand a long time ago. Our great-grandparents were fooled and scared into giving away their only true source of freedom---the right to own gold and a money system representing their Sovereign Will. People having been taught the Life of Modern Slavery have no conception of what it is to be truly free. People in this age have no conception of having Real Rights. People willingly bow down to a Beast called the Federal Government and allow themselves to be used in a manner so profoundly evil that the wholesale corruption of society has resulted from such trespasses of genuine authority. The income tax is a skim on working wages and business. The tax is taken from your "paycheck" before you even cash the "check" thus it never actually came into your possession. Plus it is artificial money to wit: it cannot be redeemed for real money gold or silver. People have not actually been paid for some 90 years now. The scams works via the "education" people receive that actually defrauds them of their understanding of these essential truths. As wage-slaves people are bound into a system of lies and deceptions so perfectly polished one would believe the hand of God was in them, but that is the greatest fraud of all. The Fed Bankers do not represent the People or God and have no authority to COIN anything called money---WHICH THEY DO NOT----! They print Legal Tender and hand you a bill which can only be used in their financial trap. Thus all that do are trapped into their LEGAL FICTIONS. A monopoly on money--- and the sole right to "produce" its value by interest charged. Those that trumpet the false financial system always go to the most bogus aspect of the fiction---taxes pay for services rendered, but that of course is the slave mind in action. The Pentagon lost over a trillion dollars (OMB report). The tax-slaves will pay for every penny and then some, as the interest will never be deducted from the sum outstanding. What fool pays to be cheated out of his earnings for the rest of his life? American taxpayers period. Slaves do not see nor understand the Master is within themselves, thus they never claim Sovereign Authority in all representations of their person. People are not legal fictions! The Charter of Commercial Law as it is practiced is OUTSIDE of the Constitution for a reason---as the Constitution of a Republic does not allow such legal fictions to be used against People, as does Roman Law---which is in fact the real reason Church and State were to be Separated to keep private law from becoming public law. The slave mind cannot comprehend a money system were they are the sole beneficiaries. What?? The People earn interest on their own money use and supply? A money system that has no "INTEREST" compounding by the hour against them in posterity? A legal system that does not use LAWS like a whore and a thief to steal their unalienable Rights by the stroke of A CODE or Statute, much less demand TOTAL Obedience to bastards so damn Evil the DEVIL looks good by comparison? How many ways do People need to be told that the very foundation of this Nation is absolutely against DIRECT TAXATION! The PEOPLE never needed taxes for a damn thing! Only slaves can be taxed and that is proven again and again throughout history. Kings taxed people who lived on their land and benefited from their Kingship. IS America Lorded over by a King? Then name the sonofabitch! Taxes are constrictions on the people to do everything they need as a natural aspect of their daily lives both in private and in business. Taxes are the invention of liars, scoundrels and lazy greedy pigs looking for a meal off another´s table. Taxes prove the authorities are too stupid to fight their way out of the paper bag handed to them by their bankers. Taxes are the last resort to do something that no other financial method can obtain by reasonable solutions. Which is why taxation is to be limited in its scope and purpose, otherwise it becomes a greed train straight into the hands of those who profit by the misery and poverty of the People. What God gave the bankers the sole privilege of printing money? Where did the bankers obtain the sole authority to enslave all other men by their schemes of greed and avarice? Why by even more greedy !@#$% operating in the FEDERAL government operating outside of the rightful Constitution. The 14th and 16th amendments are pure garbage. No slaves were freed and direct taxation is still unconstitutional. So the lying bastards had to make an new DEAL to operate outside of the Constitution in a legal fiction they can indeed control. So long as people are treated legally as taxable wage-slaves they will never question WHY such obtuse reasons underlie the premises given for said Commercial Codes to begin with. Be a good slave and pay your damn taxes! Those who own the gold make the Rules and Codes by which those who do not own the gold must live. The fraud perpetuated by unlawful Acts of a Federal Government and its Agencies and Principalities of Power cannot be consented to by a sovereign People, thus these unlawful activities must be Enforced by threats and punishments, both monetary and physical, towards the goals obtained. The mind of the little, tax paying, people must be steam-rolled with an never-ending stream of "Official" propaganda in schools which the peoples children by law must attend. Thereby ensuring the People will never attempt to overthrow their black-hearted "masters" or the foul "corporatized" institutions which they OVER-rule the People from like second-hand, worm-ridden gods. Taxation is a farce. The legal tenders are artificial instruments to make the "farce" seem just legitimate enough to fool the weak-minded and ensure the FEDS remain in control of the Nations purse. Congress having abdicated its Constitutional Duties and Obligations to the People has no damn Authority to do a damn thing in your NAME period. If you think Micky Mouse is a God your probably a tax paying citizen. If you are furious that an unlawful government by lawful fiction takes your earnings, taxes your goods and properties and P's in your cornflakes every morning, you are still an American, just confused as to how to take back that which has been stolen by legal fiction from you. All these new executive Orders on the books are not about disasters---they are specifically about keeping the People from revolting against the Unlawful Bastards who control the U.S. government by proxy---The federal reserve Board---they know People are starting to understand the gig is rigged---they are running up the federal debts to levels never seen in history to ensure when the war comes People will already be so F´n screwed even if they win the fight the very same bankers will win the war. The War and it is a war (as any poor person can tell you) must be waged on the actual source of the root of the power. The LAW itself. When the Laws of the Land are so Corrupted the People having no means or avenues to pursue the grievances against them must by all Principles resort to force to take back that which has been stolen from them have the absolute right to retake the government. The Constitution of this REPUBLIC demands such actions of its People to remain free. ""I pledge allegiance to the flag Of the United States of America, And to the *Republic for which it stands, One nation, (under God), indivisible, With liberty and justice for all."" Note it does not say "Democracy" or the Roman Catholic Church, King of England or some other bastard which owns the federal reserve. |
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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 2:58 pm EST |
"The question for you, FREE MAN, is what government services you think we can do without." First you must realize that in most juridictions there is a general excise state and county sales tax of 7% to 10% on most goods and services, not including the revenue streams collected from the sales of fuel, tobacco, alcohol, lotto, and numerous other REGULATED products and services .... in some states there is also a state and local income tax that is collected off the top, along with the progressive federal income, fica, futa and suta taxes .... "Americans don´t have a tax problem, we have an out of control SPENDING PROBLEM by the elected and unelected nameless faceless bureaucrats!" Myself, personally I require very few government services .... Most services I think I require may be easily acquired in commerce, for much less without the expense of bureaucratic management as the go-between Agent. "It is the most important matter of value tendered vs. value received!" For value (real property and proxy money) is the basis of mans moral existence. If TPTB continue to place illegal tax upon tax upon tax under the aegis of providing "needed" services to fund bureaucratic growth to fuel their existence, sooner rather than later there shall be no incentive to labor, to own and possess property, to capitalize or save for the future .... These self evident tenants are composed in the concept of the organic constitutions. Allodial property ownership must never be subverted, abrogated or derogated thru the forces of socialized legal plunder! WHY? Because time and time again it has been proven that once the do-gooder process of confiscation under fraudulent illusions begins, it never stops. First it´s your Castle(Home), next it´s your business or employment(labor), then it´s your car, and on and on and on. Once the process begins, everything is up for grabs, including your motorized blender! It never stops until the peasants revolt in a violent uprising! I certainly do not require, nor do I need a nameless faceless bureaucrat dupe determining my wants or needs for services and the amount I am willing to annually remit for many of the services that I shall never employ or use. I am quite capable of determining these matters on my very own. I am also quite capable of determining the value I am willing to remit for these services. Afterall, it is my labor and property that is at stake, and no one protects possessed property like the real owner does! To state any different is a lie. When it is not YOUR property, labor or money involved, its much easier to spend than your own. Don´t believe me, ask your socialist wife! THE RANT: My children received a far greater and superior education in privately operated schools than in public institutions. Yet, I was forced by "collective DIRECT & INDIRECT socialism" to not only fund and support my children that DID NOT attend said public institutions, but also provide funds for children whose guardians have never funded these institutions thru the direct tax scheme. This is a travesty of justice and a violation of the "Equal Protection of the Law" clause of the Constitution. In effect my property was directly confiscated w/o due process or equal protection and I personally derived no direct benefit from the confiscation .... The socialist polyannas will utter that the benefit is derived by the collective whole. This is complete nonsense ... as over 50+% graduate from the public education system with either minimum accepted reading, writing and independent thinking skills of a sixth grader or they do not even possess these minimum skills .... Lets face it, the problem with the public education system today is that it has become a state sponsored "make work project" designed to support the college system graduates that flunk out of their primary majors. The system has to do something with these people or the college system would lose credibility and their tenured intelletuals would be forced to find real productive employment! Collective socialism ALWAYS fails ... nothing GIVEN is EVER valued as much as something EARNED ....! There are much better and much fairer ways and means to operate our society without the force and compulsion of erroneous customs and the status quo mentality ... Back to equal protection...: "Equal Protection of the Law" means that to collectively tax me to provide goods and services for a certain or special class of persons or to resurrect or maintain certain classes of property within specific locales located within the taxing jurisdiction is illegal! Thru metaphysics, semantics and ignorance the bureacrats and politicos alike attempt to display the common benefits to all, this is an impossibility and is fraudulent on its very face! "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it´s PROFITS or so DEPENDANT on it´s FAVORS, that there will be NO OPPOSITION from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863 This occurs every day across America when some elected official or unelected bureacrat alike succumbs to private interest pressures ... "And how do you propose that the government pay for the remaining services?" I have already stated the proposition numerous times contained in this thread .... the roads in America are built and maintained thru "EXCISE TAXES" voluntarily paid when fuel is purchased .... if one doesn´t want to pay the tax, don´t purchase the fuel! Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Imports, Exports, etc. and numerous other goods are already taxed in this manner .... Interestingly, the incoming revenue streams from most of the the "indirect" excise fuel taxes EXCEED the revenues required to build and maintain roads, highways and bridges ... this in counterproductive to the banksters and bond interests, the majority of indirect fuel tax funds received are diverted to the general fund to be spent. The banksters then issue bonds to build and maintain roads, highways and bridges. They cannot allow the general populace to understand that all government services CAN be funded and financed thru "indirect excise" taxation. If this were or became common knowledge and understood by the Citizens, then the Citizens and local governments would begin operating over time "debt free!" Remember Einstein said "Compound Interest is the Eighth Wonder of the World." The Banking cartels that control government and their legal stoolies, dupes and knaves rely upon the ignorance of the people to fleece and control the masses via their property and property rights by trickery, deceit and compound interest schemes .... "The terrible thing about interest is that those people who will not be turning a shovel full of dirt on this (Muscle Shoals Dam Project) or be contributing a pound of material towards it will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work on it." --Thomas Edison "It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." -- Henry Ford "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it´s issuance". -- James Madison |
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Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 3:07 pm EST |
"The question for you, FREE MAN, is what government services you think we can do without." >Myself, personally I require very few >government services .... Most services I think >I require may be easily acquired in commerce, >for much less without the expense of >bureaucratic management as the go-between >Agent. I wanted you to list the services that you could do without. It´s pretty hard to do, isn´t it? You have to start with Social Security and the military. You can´t reduce taxes all that much unless you eliminate Social Security and the military. But I suspect that you will lose a lot of support (if you have any) if you propose elimination of these two programs, regardless of the merit of you legal analysis. |
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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 3:08 pm EST |
Ghost Avatar 2/23/2005 2:52 pm EST Excellent commentary ... completely agree 100% FM |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 4:32 pm EST |
Anonymous Coward 211 2/23/2005 3:07 pm EST Ok, first the compact treaty known as constitution was drawn as a defense treaty to protect the several states from rebellion and outside forces ... Do we really need or require such a large military? After all doesn´t America possess numerous nuclear weapons as a defense. Who would be so foolish to attack when it is known the attacker would be obliterated off the face of the earth by a nuclear missle attack that would leave them in smoldering embers ... ? The only reason the US maintains such a large conventional military is to carry out the foreign commercial policies of the Banksters, while the ignorant public is fleeced of their labor and remuneration thru unconstitutional taxation to pay for it! Secondly, the conventional military is used to merely enforce corporate rule of empire. This is self evident in that there have been numerous military invasions, all without constitutional declaration of war. Thirdly, the USA was never intended to rule the world as a commercial empire under admiralty law and the doctrine "might makes right." Certainly, the USA would possess very few enemies if commerce and trade was conducted fairly! The only reason to employ, fund and stock such a military is for offensive purposes ... In conclusion, the main conventional military apparatus was obseleted by the introduction of nuclear weapons for defensive purposes .... remember, the constitution was erected for "DEFENSIVE PURPOSES ONLY," to defend the several states, not for the purpose of offensive operations. A military constructed and maintained for Offensive Purposes is a usurpation of political authority, the will of the people as evidenced by the constitution and is repugnant to the constitution. IOW, military funding may be cut by two-thirds when the military is not operated in an offensive posture as world policemen controlled by special interest corporate and financial interests. The only authorization for a standing maintained military force resides at Art. I, section 8: "To provide and maintain a navy." The remainder of defensive land forces are the Citizen MILITIA, and the second amendment provides for the militia to keep and bear the arms to be used in case of rebellion or invasion! This fact is axiomatic: Article I section 8 To provide and maintain a NAVY; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the MILITIA to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and REPEL INVASIONS; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the MILITIA, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8 AND, Amendment III No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html#amendmentiii AND, Article I, section 10 (NOTE: ENGAGE IN WAR, UNLESS ACTUALLY INVADED ) No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or ENGAGE IN WAR, UNLESS ACTUALLY INVADED, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section10 So why do we need or require such a large expensive military for defensive purposes when the military possesses nuclear WMD? Why are we being taxed to maintain this offensive military apparatus for PRIVATE corporate domestic and foreign financial economic interests? If the corporate military is operating for these special interests in the name of America, then shouldn´t they be footing the bill instead of the American Citizens thru federal progressive and excise taxation??? NEXT, immediately kill and terminate Social Security. Pursuant Senate testimony, SSI is insolvent to the tune of $43+ trillion. It is self evident that neither you nor I shall ever receive any worthwhile benefits from this bankrupt ponzi pyramid scheme. I never wanted any nameless faceless scoundrels to plan for my future, I am quite capable of insuring my future. My old age social security rests in my financial planning and strong family unit, not some government agency taxation scheme fraudulently promoted as retirement insurance. Let me describe the current $43.5 trillion shortfall another way. Instead of raising payroll taxes, suppose we eliminate half of the rest of the federal government in 2004 except for Social Security and Medicare. In particular, we eliminate half of the federal government’s spending on the military, homeland security, roads, education, veteran’s affairs, agriculture, labor affairs, NASA, commerce, law enforcement, Medicaid, etc. – everything expect for Social Security and Medicare. And we do this not just in 2004 but forever. Also suppose that we don’t change federal taxes so that people continue to pay taxes as projected. Now, for example, the $150 billion deficit projected for 2004 would turn to a $600 billion surplus! That sounds like a lot of money. But we would still accumulate surpluses too slowly over time. In particular, we would still be left with a fiscal imbalance of about $3.2 trillion. In other words, shutting down half of the rest of government forever is not enough to put the U.S. fiscal policy on a sustainable course. http://judiciary.house.gov/legacy/smetters030603.htm Social Security Facts: 1. The SSI payroll deductions of workers do NOT go into a pool or trust fund, but: "The proceeds of both (the employee and the employer) taxes are to be paid into the treasury like other internal revenue generally, and are NOT earmarked in any way." [Helvering v. Davis, U.S. 619, 635 (1937)] 2. The Court points out that payroll deductions of American workers are NOT payments on premiums for insurance of any kind, but are simply income taxes: "... eligibility for benefits ... (does) not in any truesense depend on contribution through the payment of taxes." [Flemming v. Davis, 363 U.S. 603, 609 (1960)] 3. Furthermore, payments made by employers for each of their employees are NOT matching to be credited to the account of the employee, but constitute an EXCISE TAX on the employer´s right to do business. Consequently, his so called "contributions" go directly into the general fund of the treasury. 4. People participating in Social Security payroll deductions do NOT acquire property rights or contractual rights through their payments, as they would if they were paying on an insurance policy or contributing to an annuity plan. Simply put, there are no guarantees! The Congress does have power to deny benefits to citizens even though they had paid S.S. taxes. Also, the amount of benefits granted are at the option of Congress. --Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603, 610 (1960). 5. Benefits granted under Social Security are therefore NOT considered earned by the worker, but simply constitute a gratuity or gesture of charity. As the Court states: "Congress included in the original act, and has sinceretained a claim expressly reserving to it the right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of the act". [Flemming v. Nestor, 363 U.S. 603, 610-11 (1960)] see link for an eye opener! http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/mcdonald/vol1-8.htm Well there is two big corrupt biggies, I can go on and on if you like .... Answer me this: "How in the real world of economy, finance and mathematics can a FAIR "minimum wage exist" when all other wages are unlimited to the upside?" It cannot, the minimum wages laws are an illusion that prevents people from negotiating a fair rate for their labor! Where the hell does the government get off regulating wages in a pretended "free market" This is a sign to you that you are regulated from A to Z. Free sovereigns are not regulated thru metaphysical rules, codes and regulations adopted by special interest groups seeking protection from the law perverted in their favor! 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FREE MAN 2/23/2005 4:53 pm EST |
Say, where that "equal protection of the law" nowadays ... 97 percent of the cuts goes to the 4 percent of the population A whopping 54 percent of the two cuts goes to the two-tenths of one percent of Americans who make more than $1 million a year. And 97 percent of the cuts goes to the 4 percent of the population with incomes over $200,000. (All figures from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Joint Committee on Taxation.) http://www.workingforchange.com/printitem.cfm?itemid=18599 Like I said, once allodial property rights are lost, the special interests will purchase the bureacracy then the LAW, the law then becomes the instrument of class plunder and poverty thru socialism and socialist policies! So all the statist supporters of legal plunder take note. Not even you are protected from the law perverted. The law perverted is a deadly sword used to enslave you thru your ignorance and erroneous concepts of freedom and justice! Your excuses don´t hold water! |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 6:12 pm EST |
bump for info |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 6:15 pm EST |
Historical Outline 1st: Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either conscribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress. Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy. 2nd: The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 created a private corporation (hereinafter “Corp. U.S.”, Trademark name, “United States Government”) owned and operated by the actual government for the purpose of carrying out the business needs of the government under martial law. This was done under the constitutional authority for Congress to pass any law within the ten mile square of Washington, District of Columbia. 3rd: In said Act, Corp. U.S. adopted their own constitution (United States Constitution), which was identical to the national Constitution (Constitution of the United States of America) except that it was missing the national constitution´s 13th Amendment and the national constitution´s 14th, 15th and 16th amendments are respectively numbered 13th, 14th and 15th amendments in the Corp. U.S. Constitution. At this point take special notice and remember this Corp. U.S. method of adopting their own Constitution, they will add to it in the same manner in 1913. 4th: Corp. U.S. began to generate debts via bonds etc., which came due in 1912, but they could not pay their debts so the 7 families that bought up the bonds demanded payment and Corp. U.S. could not pay. Said families settled the debt for the payments of all of Corp. U.S´. assets and for all of the assets of the Treasury of the United States of America. 5th: As 1913 began, Corp. U.S. had no funds to carry out the necessary business needs of the government so they went to said families and asked if they could borrow some money. The families said no (Corp. U.S. had already demonstrated that they would not repay their debts in full). The families had foreseen this situation and had the year before finalized the creation of a private corporation of the name "Federal Reserve Bank". Corp. U.S. formed a relationship with the Federal Reserve Bank whereby they could transact their business via note rather than with money. Notice that this relationship was one made between two private corporations and did not involve government; that is where most people error in understanding the Federal Reserve Bank system—again it has no government relation at all. The private contracts that set the whole system up even recognize that if anything therein proposed is found illegal or impossible to perform it is excluded from the agreements and the remaining elements remain in full force and effect. 6th: Almost simultaneously with the last fact (also in 1913), Corp. U.S. adopts (as if ratified) their own 16th amendment. Tax protesters challenge the IRS tax collection system based on this fact, however when we remember that Corp. U.S. originally created their constitution by simply drafting it and adopting it; there is no difference between that adoption and this—such is the nature of corporate enactments. You must also note that this amendment has nothing to do with our nation, with our people or with our national Constitution, which already had its own 16th amendment. The Supreme Court ruled that it did nothing that was not already done other than to make plain and clear the right of the United States (Corp. U.S.) to tax corporations. We agree, considering that they were created under the authority of Corp. U.S. 7th: Next (also 1913) Corp. U.S., through Congress, adopts (as if ratified) its 17th amendment. This amendment is not only not ratified, it is not constitutional; the nation´s Constitution forbids Congress from even discussing the matter of where Senators are elected, which is the subject matter of this amendment. According to the United States Supreme Court, for Congress to propose such an amendment they would first have to pass an amendment that gave them the authority to discuss the matter. 8th: Accordingly, in 1914, the Freshman class and all Senators that successfully ran for reelection in 1913 by popular vote were seated in Corp. U.S. Senate capacity only; their respective seats from their States remained vacant because neither the State Senates nor the State Governors appointed new Senators to replace them as is still required by the national Constitution for placement of a national Senator. 9th: In 1917, Corp. U.S. enters W.W.I and passes their Trading with the Enemies Act. 10th: In 1918, President Wilson is reelected by the Electoral College but their election is required to be confirmed by the constitutionally set Senate; where the new Corp. U.S. only Senators were allowed to participate in the Electoral College vote confirmation the only authority that could possibly have been used for electoral confirmation was corporate only. Therefore, President Wilson was not confirmed into office for his second term as President of the United States of America and was only seated in the Corp. U.S. Presidential capacity. Therefore the original jurisdiction government´s seats were vacated because the people didn´t seat any original jurisdiction government officers. It is important to note here that President Wilson retained his capacity as Commander in Chief of the military. Many people wonder about this fact imagining that such a capacity is bound to the President of the nation; however, When John Adams was President he assigned George Washington to the capacity of Commander in Chief of the military in preparation for an impending war with France. During this period, Mr. Adams became quite concerned because Mr. Washington became quite ill and passed on his acting military authority through his lead General Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Adams was concerned that if war did break out Mr. Hamilton would use that authority to create a military dictatorship of the nation. Mr. Adams averted the war through diplomacy and the title of Commander in Chief was returned to him. (See: John Adams, by David McCullough, this book covers Mr. Adams concerns over this matter quite well. Mr. Adams was a fascinating man.) 11th: In 1933, the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S. 12th: In 1944, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, Corp. U.S. is quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund, and becomes a foreign controlled private corporation. 13th: Some time after 1935, you ask Social Security Administration for a relationship with their program. With the express purpose of generating Beneficiary funds to United States General Trust Fund (GTF) the Social Security Administration creates an entity with a name (that sounds like your name but is spelled with all capital letters) and an account number (Social Security number). They give you the Social Security card and let you know that the card does not belong to you but you are to sign it (as the fiduciary) and keep it. You are also to note that though the card identifies its agency and you as the single person with authority to control the entity they created, you are not to use it as identification. On review: notice the Social Security Administration was the creator of the entity, they set you to serve in its Trustee capacity, they gave you something (the card) to hold that does not belong and they made the GTF the beneficiary of the entity—by definition, this can only be described as a Trust. More importantly: the name they gave this Trust is not your name, the number they gave the Trust is not your number and your serving in this Trust´s Trustee capacity does not limit you or your capacity to act in your natural sovereign capacity in any way—what you do, when you do it and how you do it is still totally up to you. 14th: In 1968, at the National Governor´s Conference in Lexington, Kentucky, the IMF leaders of the event proposed the dilemma the State governors were in for carrying out their business dealings in Federal Reserve Notes (foreign notes), which is forbidden in the national and State constitutions, alleging that if they did not do something to protect themselves the people would discover what had been done with their money and would likely to kill them all and start over. They suggested the States form corporations like Corp. U.S. and showed the advantages of the resultant uniform codes that could be created, which would allow better and more powerful control over the people, which thing the original jurisdiction governments of this nation had no capacity to do. Our Constitutions secure that the governments do not govern the people rather they govern themselves in accord with the limits of Law. The people govern themselves. Such is the foundational nature of our Constitutional Republic. 15th: By 1971, every State government in the union of States had formed such private corporations (Corp. State), in accord with the IMF admonition, and the people ceased to seat original jurisdiction government officials in their State government seats. Now, having stated these historical facts, we ask you not to believe us, but rather prove these facts for yourself. We then ask you to contact us and share your discovery with us. When you find there is no error in this historical outline, then remember these simple facts and let no one dissuade you from the truth. The Bottom Line: when you speak about these private foreign corporations remember that is what they are and stop calling them government. Further, it is very important that we cease to attempt to fix them. It is far more important that we learn how to reseat our original jurisdiction government and spread the word about the truth. By reseating our State and national governments in their original jurisdiction nature, we gain the capacity to hold these private foreign corporations accountable. They owe us a lot of money, in fact they owe us more money than there is available in the world. In fact it is impossible for them to pay and that gives us the leverage we need to take back our nation and put things right. The process is a simple one. The difficulty is in getting our people to wake up to the truth. That´s why we ask you to prove the truth for yourself and contact us with your discovery. That means that you must stop acting and communicating like you are anything other than the sovereign that God created you to be. And, stop referring to Corp. U.S. or the STATE OF ´X´ as anything other than the private foreign corporations that they are. And, finally, stop listening to the Bigfoot Patriot Mythology that is espoused by those that only give these facts lip service. It´s time to wake up and follow the truth, time to repent and become a moral and honorable society instead of lauding our Piety while we stand guilty of: a) not knowing the truth; b) not living the truth; c) believing God will save us even though we have the tools to know the truth the ability to use the tools but we refuse to live by the truth and use the tools we have to save ourselves and thereby become free. The biggest problem with that get all excited about uniting against the tyranny of Corp. U.S. is that they are blind to the truth having no remedy so they bail out of "the system" hell bent for a rebellion even the scripture says cannot be won with conventional weapons of war. Would that we could instead follow the admonition of the King of Kings and unite with truth to legally, lawfully and peacefully reseat our original jurisdiction government thereby taking back the control our nation in accord with law. |
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Anonymous Coward 57 2/23/2005 6:47 pm EST |
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Anonymous Coward 66 2/23/2005 6:53 pm EST |
And the primary use of taxes is not to lend or even give money to unemployed people. The primary government expenditures in this country are military, social security, and interest on the national debt. Social security, a ponzi scheme that should never have been created.. the military.. propaganda machine telling us we are all under attack and threat of terrorism, when in reality there is no threat if we would just withdraw our troops from the rest of the world and stop telling them what to do.. we could dismantle the military.. imagine what we could do with that money.. Interest on the national debt.. there SHOULD BE NO NATIONAL DEBT. NATIONAL DEBTS ONLY EXIST IN NATIONS WITH PRIVATELY CONTROLLED FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEMS. NATIONS WHICH ISSUE THEIR OWN CURRENCY HAVE NO NATIONAL DEBTS AND HAVE MUCH HIGHER STANDARDS OF LIVING. We are slaves to the bank in that regard, and must abolish the federal reserve system. |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 7:41 pm EST |
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809) |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 8:16 pm EST |
The Official RS 2477 Home Page -- Your guide to RS2477 and private property rights -- -- How landowners can defend against federal, state, and local RS 2477 land grabs -- -- Help stand up to "Shared Access" socialism -- http://home.comcast.net/~rs2477/ |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 8:54 pm EST |
The POSRP Mission As property owners our mission is to protect individual property owners´ opportunities to own, use, and enjoy their property without fear from federal or governmental regulations processing rights-of-way or otherwise condemning property without just compensation. Who we are POSRP is a diverse group of Colorado private property owners seeking the quiet enjoyment of our own homes and property. Many of us feel negative impacts from highways “constructed” under RS 2477 or claims tied to RS 2477. POSRP is also individuals that believe in private property rights and/or are concerned about negative effects of RS 2477 right-of-way claims. http://www.posrp.org/ |
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Anonymous Coward 66 2/23/2005 9:32 pm EST |
Bumping for re-read. |
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zazzman 2/23/2005 9:48 pm EST |
I believe there was a key word in all of that post, you must own your property without a lein or mortgage!!! |
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Anonymous Coward 5 2/23/2005 9:59 pm EST |
Not everyone is aware that their property description doesn´t include MINERAL RIGHTS. I know we weren´t until after purchase and reading the description of the land. Can one get a land patent under the circumstance that one doesn´t own the mineral rights to the land? It seems like all you really own is the house that sits on the land. If that is the case, then why is anyone taxed on the land without having full rights of ownership? What can be done? |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/23/2005 11:42 pm EST |
Good exchange of ideology today |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/24/2005 9:31 am EST |
If you want to disclose the scheme, look up the definition "ad valorem tax" in Blacks Law Dictionary. Ad valorem tax is a tax laid on the value of the property, but not the property itself. This is admiralty law that comes from the admiralty jurisdiction! It is treason! |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/24/2005 9:35 am EST |
Evidence that Americans are slaves. Blacks Law Dictionary Deluxe Fourth Edition Page 1499 RYOT. In India. A peasant, subject, or tenant of house or land. Wharton RYOT-TENURE. A system of land-tenure, where the government takes the place of landowners and collects rent by means of tax gatherers. The farming is done by poor peasants, (ryots), who find the capital, so far as there is any, and also do the work. The system exists in Turkey, Egypt, Persia, and other Eastern countries, and in a modified form in British India. After slavery, it is accounted the worst of all systems, because the government can fix the rent at what it pleases, and it is difficult to distinguish between rent and taxes. |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/24/2005 9:41 am EST |
Voluntary servitude is perfectly legal, even if the person is tricked into the "voluntary servitude!" Now one must begin questioning whether we are all slaves under some kind of mass criminal indictment for existing that we are not aware of ..... only slaves have numbers (SSI Number & defacto driver license numbers), only slaves are prohibited from owning allodial property, don´t pay property taxes (rent), regulatory licensing, et al, etc. (more rent) and you will soon learn you don´t own a damn thing! Lets look at the facts, the top of the banking pyramid is the Bank of England, seconded by their covert US proxy agent the Federal Reserve Corp. .... Under what historical system did/does TPTB thru the economic and financial system control the people and the land? The RYOT system! We are all living in a surrepticious modern version of the RYOT system! Our enslavement and demise has been given the aura of legitimacy thru the sales of bonds and the monetary system. The duped state actors sell bonds hypothecating our pretended private property as collateral, then set the rent (tax) accordingly .... I have not knowingly, willingly or intentionally ever hypothecated private property, my land, home or business to collateralize the pretended money or bonds .... and would never do so! So just where does the authority lay to hypothecate and rent (tax) individuals private property for the state and state actors collective schemes .... how may you and I be held responsible for debts incurred before we were even born? How is it that we and our property are held responsible for the rents, debts and schemes of other men that are in essence total strangers to us ....??? One could rationalize that voting creates the nexus to the local, state and national debt and the state actors spending, but if one doesn´t vote then how could his private property be hypothecated as collateral for the issuance of bonds ....? In the end, no matter how it´s dressed or justified private property rights no longer exist, Mao was correct, "all political power comes from the end of a gun," not the law or rule of law! Don´t pay your taxes, resist your enslavement and you shall find yourself looking down the barrel of your masters guns .... and our masters hide behind little pieces of paper with ink on them .... same slavery, just disguised differently! |
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~love~ 2/24/2005 9:51 am EST  |
Wow! Thanks alot for sharing FREE MAN! This is an awesome thread! LOADED with good information!!! And thanks to all you others who are responding to this too! It´s amazing what happens when people get together & share information or anything else. Life... Breakfast... Speaking of which... Anyone care for some more coffee this morning??? |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/24/2005 10:51 am EST |
Forget all this, the complete story of how and why the top elite rule and manage the classes through the "money power" is told here: The Occult Technology of Power http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/chapter3.htm Read it, you´ll never be same afterwards! |
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Anonymous Coward 61 2/24/2005 11:11 am EST |
The issue is not "doing without government services." The government takes in tax revenues FAR IN EXCESS of what is needed to pay for basic services. That excess money is what they use to oppress and enslave us. They use that money to build massive underground fortresses for them, the elite, to escape to. |
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Anonymous Coward 186 2/24/2005 11:19 am EST |
Yea, just read the CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) of your city county and state and you´ll see they have boo coo bucks stashed away. |
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Lewis4948 2/24/2005 11:31 am EST |
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Lewis4948 2/24/2005 11:34 am EST |
anyone there |
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Anonymous Coward 129 2/24/2005 11:41 am EST |
There are no masters slavery doesn´t exist |
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IN THE KNOW 2/24/2005 12:03 pm EST |
"The government takes in tax revenues FAR IN EXCESS of what is needed to pay for basic services." The bureaucrats have accumulated a massive nest egg built upon fiat currency and corporate law. Every government, national, state and local are pretended defacto governments, they are CORPORATIONS. "The Truth About State and Local Governments Having Excesses of Your Tax Dollars They Are Not Using." State Governments Have $612 Billion of Your Tax Money That They Are Not Using. That Equals $2,149 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.A. or $8,596 for a family of 4. http://www.cafrman.com/ |
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FREE MAN 2/24/2005 1:09 pm EST |
You better understand these facts: "Up" cannot exist without "down", "left" cannot exist without "right", "in" cannot exist without "out", "wealth" cannot exist without "poverty", "FREEDOM" cannot exist without "SLAVERY" Understand that the wealthy elite that oppress the lower classes thru the law perverted, legal plunder, progressive taxation and tyranny are merely defending THEIR freedoms in the jungle ... they erect social and economic barriers thru proxy Agents (government) to protect themselves and their freedoms. Make no mistake, there is a ongoing war between the classes .... a class struggle. All economics is a finite game, the limited economic freedom you enjoy today is provided by the total enslavement of third world slave labor and fiat money. This is the the ageless struggle between Cain and Able, Isaiah and Ishmael .... One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist ... To the wealthy elite, all classes beneath them represent the enemy, they are terrorists. Why, because we all strive for a higher standard of living .... the elite and their wealth is based upon 5000+ years of lies that can collapse at any given moment ... Who do you think invented the concept of MONEY and why? Who do you think dreamed up "legal tender laws and why? It sure wasn´t you and I or our ancestors! First, you must comprehend that there is no such thing as money. Money is a metaphysical concept, an illusion of the mind used to enslave you thru the concept of money. You don´t believe me??? "Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing." --Ralph M. Hawtrey, former Secretary of treasury, England And even Keynes officially stated in his book "The Consequences of Peace" that "money" is a total fraud: "If, however, a government refrains from regulations and allows matters to take their course, essential commodities soon attain a level of price out of the reach of all but the rich, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent, and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer." --John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 240 You see, your enslavement by the money trust, is due to your "belief system" taught and financed by the money monopoly. If you wish to be a free sovereign, than you must awaken from the corrupt contracts, lies, fraud and deception that has been customarily taught to you in public schools, thru mass media deceptions, CONventional wisdom, customs, mores and MYTHOLOGY! The Federal Reserve Corporation informs us that their money power, political, economic, financial and monetary authority is reliant upon our systems of beliefs and the confidence that has been brainwashed into our gnomes since birth: To wit: "Without the confidence factor, many believe a paper money system is liable to collapse" --Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, Gold, p. 10 Now when your beliefs and confidence begin to wane or question the fraud of money and federal reserve notes as corpora fictions, mere machinations of the mind, the money powers bring their unlawful power to bare under the illusion of dishonest "legal tender laws." "As long as we issue fiat currency, I see no alternative to a legal tender law." ==Dr. Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, 11/20/2003 “The legal tender quality [of money] is only valuable for the purposes of dishonesty.” --Chief Justice Salmon Chase, formerly Secretary of Treasury in President Lincoln’s administration, in dissent of Knox vs. Lee (The Legal Tender Cases, 1871 American President John Adams tells us that our downright ignorance of money and credit would finally enslave us to the moneyed powers that would abrogate and derogate our "Constitutional gaurantees and the "Bill of Rights": "All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." --American President John Adams Your unquestioning ignorant acceptance of "private corporate credit notes" covertly acting as money places you in a "STATE OF WAR" with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Article I, section 10 of Constitution of the united States: "No state shall make Anything but Gold and Silver Coin Legal Tender for Payment in Debt" You are enslaved thru your VOLUNTARY use of the "unconstitutional" privately owned "Commercial Credit System." http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/commercial.html Your VOLUNTARY use of the "Commercial Credit System" has entered you into hidden corporate "adhesion contracts" that compel you to waive protected rights and perform pursuant the contract. It´s all very legal under the rules of "equity." Once you unknowingly enter into the "private credit contract", the legitimate sovereign government and judiciary cannot protect you or your rights pursuant Article I, section 10, "obligation of contracts." "No state shall make ANY law impairing the obligation of contracts" It is all based upon VOLUNTARY action. Have you when negotiating for employment demanded gold or silver coin in payment for your labor? Have you ever demanded gold and silver coin for payment in services or goods? Do you use "federal reserve notes" to remit payment for services and goods or do you use the constitutional medium of exchange and legal tender gold and silver coins? In Conclusion: You are your own master, as your own master you have VOLUNTARILY elected by free will choice to enslave yourself to the "private" US corporate government owned and operated by the money lenders and money trust. TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002 Definitions: (15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation; (B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or (C) an instrumentality of the United States. It is all by your own choice and free will! If you seek to throw off the illusional chains and shackles and return to a life as a sovereign, you may any time you choose to do so! All VALID contracts must, by the mandates of the UCC, the common law, equity law, admiralty law and the laws of immemorial antiquity contained in the Bible offer the option to terminate the agreement to be sanctioned as valid, legal and lawful. You did not get into this horrible mess in one day, so don´t expect a magic bullet that allows your exit in one day .... become educated on the subject and learn all you can to regain your birth rights and freedom from the corporate noose tied around your neck. Caveat Emptor NLA/DYODD |
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Tigger 2/24/2005 1:19 pm EST |
@FM "STATE OF WAR" The use of "private corporate credit notes" covertly acting as money places you in a "STATE OF WAR" with the Constitution and Bill of Rights I never thought of it that way. No wonder FDR included the American people in the "trading with the enemy act (1933)." Using federal reserve notes is repugnant to the constitution and maybe even an act of treason by the people. Makes mucho sense now that I think about it. Thanx |
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Anonymous Coward 11 2/24/2005 1:24 pm EST |
speaking of the bankster racket, 1300% mark up for insufficient funds is a racket. Insufficient fund racket which translates into an annual interest rate of 1300% http://www.mecfilms.com/universe/articles/banklet.htm |
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Ghost Avatar 2/24/2005 1:58 pm EST |
Who here has read this book? Killing the Banking Beast by Jane H. Ingraham a Book Review of The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin Has it ever occurred to you that the federal government has no need of taxes for revenue? Are you aware that banks prefer lending to governments because governments seldom repay loans? Do you realize that if all debts, both public and private, were paid, there would be no money at all in circulation? These are only a few of the startling facts that fill the pages of The Creature From Jekyll Island -- an illuminating expose of the Insider scam called known as the Federal Reserve System (a.k.a. the Fed). Although author G. Edward Griffin admits to having wondered if another book on the Federal Reserve is necessary (his six pages of bibliography suggest that the subject may have previously attracted attention), it is unlikely that any book has ranged across 2,000 years of money and banking from Diocletian to the Rothschilds to Alan Greenspan — and tied it into the new world order — as thoroughly as The Creature From Jekyll Island. Griffin cuts through the obscurities about the Fed that are intentionally meant to mystify and disarm its victims (all of us). Convinced that the subject of money and banking is too arcane and complicated to understand, we victims are trapped in a world view that utterly fails to jibe with reality. The money manipulators, says Griffin, are exploiting our ignorance for the advancement of their own appalling plans; the urgency of awakening us to our danger has driven Griffin to write this extraordinary book. Although Griffin has never held an academic position, he is a top-notch teacher. Making this little-understood subject simple by splendid organization, his account is divided into six sections with varying numbers of chapters; each section and chapter is introduced by a concise paragraph while each chapter is also summarized. Thus the reader is kept in touch with where he has been and where he is going, an ingenious and helpful device considering the enormous scope of Griffin’s narrative. His explanations and definitions are meticulously worded; one can sense the care with which each word was chosen, leaving no room for confusion. Griffin continually draws documentation from primary sources, quoting letters, speeches, and published works that both enlighten and horrify. His own writing is difficult to quote; it is so trenchant that nearly every sentence entices. Yet at the same time Griffin has mastered the art of speaking personally to the reader, who never loses the feeling of being directly addressed. All this adds up to a superbly clear, engrossing book that, once started, is impossible to put down. Setting the Stage In order to help us fully understand our present predicament, Mr. Griffin ranges far afield in explaining the historical, economic, and political antecedents of today’s money system. We are given a crash course on the nature of money; the origin of banks and the concept of fractional reserves; how this led to the seductive idea of using the same money over and over; how this inevitably led to economic disaster wherever and whenever tried. We are instructed about the Rothschild formula, which perfected the art of making enormous profits from loans to governments, especially for wars; how this led to preventing any one nation from becoming strong enough to establish peace (the famous balance of power); how those who could instigate wars or revolutions were financed (including the Bolsheviks in 1917); how we Americans were sucked into World War I in order to save J.P. Morgan’s loans to England; how environmentalism is now the weapon of choice replacing war. We are taken to the super-secret meeting of Insider financiers and Rothschild agent Paul Warburg on Jekyll Island in 1910 where the basic plan for what became the Federal Reserve Act was formulated; we learn that these plotters were already affiliated with the conspiratorial British one world Round Table group which preceded the Council on Foreign Relations (our secret government); we are astounded by the brazen deception of Congress that pushed through this unconstitutional act creating the Insiders’ fundamental tool — a central bank with the ability to inflate. We are told how this same tool has been expanded internationally through the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank in order to create worldwide inflation, pay enormous sums of perpetual interest on never paid-up loans to Insider banks, and socialize the Third World, all courtesy of us unsuspecting taxpayers. Lastly, Griffin foretells our dismaying fate if our course is not altered; then he lays out a step-by-step procedure of how to alter it, inviting us to join with him in doing so. Griffin looks the Fed “creature” straight in the eye and tells us it is not federal, it has no reserves, and it is not a bank. It is, in fact, a pernicious cartel operating against the public interest. The widespread belief that the Federal Reserve exists to “stabilize the economy” is hogwash; the real reason for its existence is the making of money — not out of “thin air” as is commonly supposed, but, more accurately, out of debt. Griffin explains that it is the act of borrowing by the federal government that causes money to spring into existence. Griffin takes us through the Open Market steps by which Treasury IOUs (bonds) are inverted by the Federal Reserve into money through the issuance of Federal Reserve checks with no money in existence to cover them; anyone else doing this would go to jail. Congress has made this legal for the Fed, however, because this hidden process allows our congressmen to enjoy unlimited revenue without having to visibly raise taxes. Without this service, says Griffin, the monetary/political partnership would dissolve, and Congress would abolish the Fed. Money Multiplied Griffin explains that these Federal Reserve checks are endorsed by the government, deposited in a Federal Reserve bank, and used to pay government expenses by checks which create the first wave of fiat (unbacked paper) money that floods into the economy. Recipients deposit these checks into commercial banks that are part of the Fed system. Here is where the real inflationary action is. (The Federal Reserve holds “only” seven percent of the national debt of almost $5 trillion. The 12 percent held by foreigners and the 56 percent held by Americans are not inflationary because the money used for purchase already existed.) Commercial banks, like the Federal Reserve, also create money out of nothing — and collect interest on it — by multiplying every dollar deposited nine times. This amazing feat is accomplished through the device of fractional reserves, whereby the Fed allows 90 percent of deposits to be loaned out. As deposits become loans and loans become deposits, this process repeats with smaller numbers each time around. For instance, $1 million in government money (first wave) to $900,000 (second wave), which gives birth to $810,000 (third wave), etc., until the process plays itself out. Thus, the banking cartel creates an amount of money that is nine times the amount of the original government debt that made the process possible. Griffin shows that when the original debt is added in, the Federal Reserve and the commercial banks together have created approximately ten times the amount of the underlying government debt. Since this newly created money causes the purchasing power of all money to decline, the resulting rise in prices is, in reality, a hidden tax. As Griffin puts it: Without realizing it, Americans have paid over the years, in addition to their federal income taxes and excise taxes, a completely hidden tax equal to approximately ten times the national debt! Griffin is astonished at the public’s indifference to this fleecing; he blames it on ignorance based on disinformation. Nothing could prove him more right than the current deception that inflation is higher prices caused by full employment and a strong economy; therefore, letting the "steam" out of the economy and slowing growth (and thereby employment) is “good.” This talk is madness. Alan Greenspan. chairman of the Federal Reserve (who has the temerity to say he is “worried about inflation”), is repeating this claptrap as he pretends to control inflation by increasing interest rates that merely devastated the bond market, clobbered the stock market, and helped only the bankers. Thus the Insiders are perfectly protected and the scam rolls on. There are many more threads to Griffin’s discourse on the operations of the banking cartel that should not be missed, such as: How holders of Treasury bonds can be paid off only by the creation of an identical bond out of nothing. Why the U.S. has to be, must be, in debt. How the Discount Window (Fed loans to banks) creates more phony money. How the federal government could operate without levying any taxes whatsoever. How the Fed causes booms and busts. How, since 1913, our money has depreciated by over 1,000 percent. How a gold standard automatically stabilizes prices. How the Fed can now monetize the debts of foreign governments! Without the extensive knowledge offered by Griffin, no American can fully understand the financial reality of our time. Understanding the Game Also critical to our reality check is an understanding of how the Fed protects and enriches the banking brotherhood in the international arena. The game our Insiders are playing makes the Rothschilds look like novices. Here it is in a nutshell: The game starts with a mammoth loan (created out of nothing through the magic of fractional reserves) from (Citicorp, Chase Manhattan, Bank of America, etc.) to a Third World country with scant means of servicing the debt much less ever repaying the principle. Are these top bankers stupid? Hardly; Griffin explains that this is the kind of loan these bankers love, since they make their money from interest on the loan, not on repayment of the loan. They prefer the loan never to be repaid. They know they can’t lose because the Federal Reserve guarantees that massive loans that go into default will not be allowed to seriously affect the issuing bank (too big to fail) because this would “disrupt the entire economy." So, says Griffin, "since the System makes it profitable for banks to make large, unsound loans, that is the kind of loans banks will make. Furthermore, it is predictable that most unsound loans will go into default." Sure enough; pretty soon default threatens. The bank creates additional money out of nothing and lends that so its interest stream continues on both the original loan plus the new loan (the “roll-over” play). At the next crisis, the bank creates still more money out of nothing to cover the interest on both loans plus an additional amount for the borrower to spend freely (the “up-the-ante” play). Finally the bank agrees to a lower interest rate and a longer period for repayment (the rescheduling" play). Eventually it is time for the “Final Maneuver.” Congress agrees to guarantee future payments and the whole mess is shifted to the backs of U.S. taxpayers while the borrower is trapped into an IMF “austerity” program that makes an “end run” around his sovereignty. Now money moves through various foreign aid channels to the deadbeat borrower, who continues to pay perpetual interest to the bank. Almost all of this money is generated by the Federal Reserve; as it moves out into the economy it dilutes the value of the money already there. The American people, says Griffin, have no idea they are footing the bill to enrich the Insider bankers. Founder’ Fears Realized Readers may be surprised to learn that the Federal Reserve is the fourth central bank the United States has had, the previous three having crashed in inevitable raging inflation and widespread economic disaster. So clearly did our Founders understand and fear worthless paper money forced on the public by legal tender laws (precisely what we now have) that they filled the proceedings of the Constitutional Convention with statements of their horror of it. We Americans today, deprived of hearing such truth, need to listen to their words: George Mason of Virginia: “I have a mortal hatred of paper money.” John Langdon of New Hampshire: “I would rather reject the whole [Constitution] than grant the new government the right to issue fiat money." George Reed of Delaware: “The right to issue fiat money would be as alarming as the mark of the beast in Revelation." Thomas Paine: “The punishment of a member of Congress who should move for such a law ought to be death." Griffin does not stop with presenting the known picture, but projects today´s reality into the future. His first projection is a doomsday scenario his second is a realistic plan for saving our country and ourselves. These chapters might, after all, be the most important ones in the book. Griffin sees doomsday as an engineered financial debacle the severity of which will cause panicked Americans to welcome — a World Bank "rescue" with a world currency. The IMF/World Bank is already functioning — in conjunction with the Federal Reserve — as a world central bank. A world currency is already designed, awaiting a crisis to justify its introduction. From this point on, writes Griffin, there will be no escape from the new world order. At present the U.S. is being deliberately weakened by seemingly insane spending both at home and abroad: As just one more dismaying example, during President Clinton´s recent trip to Europe he blithely promised more billions of dollars to Poland, Ukraine, and the Baltic countries. The name of the game is to spend on anything, anywhere. The object is to bring down the system. Life in the New World Order What will life be like in the Insiders´ new world order? Griffin spells it out from the words of the Insiders themselves. One source is the 1966 secret Hudson Institute study commissioned by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, entitled Report from Iron Mountain. This study cold-bloodedly discusses various means by which government might control the populace and perpetuate itself in power in the absence of war (UN peace). Griffin´s review (with extensive quotes) of this truly diabolical Insider study is masterful; he takes it apart and shows us its consummate evil. The study´s premise is that historically the only means by which a government has ever been able to "secure the subordination of citizens to the state" is war. Only war has been able to provide the external threat without which no government can accumulate power. War is used to make the masses put up with all kinds of privation, taxation, and controls without complaint. No amount of sacrifice in the name of victory is rejected. Resistance is viewed as treason. But, says Griffin, Report From Iron Mountain explains that the war system may have to be replaced because "it may now be possible to create a world government in which all nations will be disarmed and disciplined by a world army, a condition which we will call peace. "In this case, what could be a substitute for war? Here, explains Griffin, is the origin of the stratagem to promote ecological doom as the new enemy that threatens the entire world. The threat need not be real, provided the masses can be convinced it is real. Credibility is the key, not reality. Griffin writes that Report From Iron Mountain explains the avalanche of phony scientific claims that are uncritically publicized by the Insider-controlled media, as well as the funding of environmental "crazies" by corporations and businesses that would appear to have the most to lose. He sees the plan as being brilliantly successful. The barrage of propaganda has had a phenomenal result. Politicians are now being elected on nothing but "concern for the environment and a promise to clamp down on nasty industries," with no one caring about the damage done to the economy or our freedoms. Just as no sacrifice is too great in time of war, what happens to the economy or our freedom is of no consequence "when the very planet on which we live is sick and dying." Griffin introduces us to multi-millionaire Maurice Strong, the powerful UN environmental czar, who gives us the whole line: The U.S. is committing environmental aggression against the rest of the world. Current lifestyles of the affluent middle class — high meat intake, frozen and convenience foods, electric household appliances, cars, air conditioning, suburban housing — all this has to go. The world’s ecosystems can be preserved only by lowering our standard of living by rationing, taxation, and political domination by world government. Reading this section will forever change the way in which you view government. Yet, says Griffin, this perverted, power-mad Insider fix need not prevail. None of these dreadful things needs to happen. He outlines a procedure by which the Federal Reserve can be abolished, the national debt paid, and the country returned to a sound monetary system based on silver and gold. All that is needed are the efforts of concerned and caring Americans. Griffin invites us to join him in freeing ourselves from the one-world conspirators. It can be done. The New American Vol 10, Number 18, September 5, 1994 |
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Anonymous Coward 2/24/2005 6:52 pm EST |
People can write these articles. You can cut and paste them. You can give them 20 gold stars. We can all nod assent.......and then what? Absolutely NOTHING gets done. All it does is reinforce to those who can read the small print, that is who can see the implication:- Those in power, I mean the real movers and shakers of this world are all too powerful. They do not give a sh*t! They know we are totally IMPOTENT. Why? Because the masses that we would need to turn the tables don´t give a sh*t!. The enemy has the greatest WOMD (weapon of MIND destruction) the media. As long as they have that YOU CAN´T WIN! You can´t even get to 1st base. You like TRUTH? You want TRUTH? Well, there it is however unpalatable it may be. Oh you can scream at me. You can call me defeatist, you can call me obscenities. But it won´t change a thing. You will be cutting and pasting these articles and reading them if you stick around another twenty years or more. The TRUTH! It isn´t very nice is it? You prefer the illusion. Well, so do the masses even stronger than you do. So go ahead, release your tensions and frustrations on me. I can take it. Let´s see what did Marcus Aurelius say "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." -- Marcus Aurelius |
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Seer 2/24/2005 7:17 pm EST |
You won´t get an argument out of me. TPTB are so in control, they don´t care care anymore what anyone writes. But like the mythical Icarus, their own hubris will melt their wings, sending them crashing ignominiously to the sea. They will end up destroying themselves, if history is our guide. |
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Anonymous Coward 2/24/2005 7:52 pm EST |
"Republic of Texas" Again Pushes for Independence a newly established ´capitol´ in the east Texas town of Overton, Daniel Miller, President of the Republic of Texas Interim Government, says a desire to be free, combined with ballooning concerns over rising taxes and property rights, will convince more Texans to support a ´referendum´ on whether Texas should become an independent nation. "We´re seeking a referendum to allow the people of Texas to vote on independence," Miller said. "We´re looking forward to the benefits of Texas independence, where Texas stands as a nation among other nations." http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=64188ADC-5D4B-417E-A31B-9BB84D2E8B43 |
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Anonymous Coward 2/24/2005 10:44 pm EST |
TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 2 > SUBCHAPTER IV > § 95 § 95. Emergency limitations and restrictions on business of members of Federal reserve system; designation of legal holiday for national banking associations; exceptions; “State” defined (2) For the purpose of this subsection, the term “State” means any of the several States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or any other territory or possession of the United States. http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000095----000-.html |
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LEARN IT 2/24/2005 11:07 pm EST |
The Final Solution for Property Tax #105 Can you honestly say that you own your land? A deed is not a Title, it merely passes an interest in land to another. "A patent for land is the highest evidence of Title and is conclusive as against the government and all claiming under junior patents or titles [United States v. Stone, 2 US 525]." THE FINAL SOLUTION TO PROPERTY TAX is the definitive book on perfecting land patents. This book in conjunction with THE ERRANT SOVEREIGNS´ HANDBOOK are the two tools one needs to build a firm foundation to obtain absolute Title to your property and make jurisdictional challenges to political building/zoning codes, property taxes, etc. From the March 2001 Idaho Observer: Washington man successfully removes his land from tax rolls [This document and the details of this property are on file in the office of The I.O.] Following is the story of how I successfully withdrew my land from taxation in Washington State. For three years the county prosecutor threatened to foreclose on my property for non-payment of taxes. However, my property was finally dropped from the tax roll last year, and the county treasurer ceased sending the annual tax (rent) statement. I have enclosed an affidavit from a disinterested person who walked into the county treasurer´s office and inquired into the tax status of my land. He ascertained not only that the property was not being taxed, but that the county had dropped the prior three years of back taxes and penalties. As county officials took an adversarial position towards me, it was a rather complex and lengthy process walking through their defacto government minefield. Up to now I have been pretty quiet about my success, but I am now considering writing a book to detail exactly how I withdrew my property from county, state and federal jurisdiction. Given the complexity of this subject I can only give a "cocktail napkin" sketch here of my successful actions. The secret of my success is contained in a book entitled The Errant Sovereign´s Handbook by Augustus Blackstone (aka "Uncle Gus"). Without the fundamentals given in this book, I would not have gotten to first base nor would I have built my case on a solid foundation. So here is an abridged version of what I did: 1. I read the above book cover to cover and followed the procedures to become a sovereign Elector. 2. I then followed Uncle Gus´s procedure in Chapter 11 to attempt to extinguish all tax debt attached to my property. 3. I withdrew my property from registration. 4. I perfected a land patent on my property. 5. I complied with the Uniform Commercial Code whenever I received a "tax statement" in the mail. 6. As the treasurer and her "attorney" were totally uncooperative, I had to finally play my trump card: Article I, Section 10, united States Constitution - "No state shall.make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts." Uncle Gus knows how to play this card effectively. After many unfulfilled requests for information and documents, I began to take steps to (potentially) place liens on certain county officials. In the process three lawfully recorded affidavits (which enumerated public disclosure violations) and $33 in recording fees were unlawfully removed from the county auditor´s office without my consent and without a warrant (a felony in Washington.) I subsequently sought a Declaratory Judgment against a prosecutor. However, my suit was dismissed. You probably won´t be surprised to learn that the judge never read my paperwork. I then began to press criminal charges and continue to do so. When I reported the "theft under false pretenses" of my affidavits, a prosecutor, named in one of the stolen affidavits, threatened me (in writing) with undisclosed prosecution. Isn´t it rather ironic that it is a felony in the state of Washington to threaten a civil "servant", but the "servants" can, with immunity, threaten a citizen for reporting a crime of a "servant?” Under these conditions I had to be careful in wording my communications so as not to threaten to sue a county "servant." Therefore, I simply made it clear that I "will defend my right to private property to the highest court in the land," which is not a threat but the assertion of a right. Unfortunately, in today´s world no one has any rights unless he or she is willing to defend them. I believe my success in defending my private property rights rests in the fact that 1) I used Uncle Gus´s technology to build an airtight case, 2) I am willing to publicly expose abuse of power of civil servants, despite their intimidation tactics, 3) I made clear resolve to take my case to the united States´ supreme court if necessary, and 4) it would cost "the county" far more to usurp my private property rights than it would ever collect through Marxist "taxation" or "foreclosure." There are no guarantees, though. I believe the evidence that I have accumulated thus far reveals not only abuse of power by county officials but the fact that the Washington state governor and attorney general do not support the supreme law of the land but, instead, knowingly support the abuse of power by county officials. Frankly, I do not find this encouraging. However, last fall I perfected a land patent on a second parcel of land and the county has never challenged it. http://www.lawresearchgroup.com/cart/customer/product.php?productid=105&cat=0&page= |
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Jason Whitney 2/24/2005 11:42 pm EST |
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the bond the government issued to balance the exchange to re-credit the people and is our insurance policy to stave off execution of law, which allows it to pass over us for our benefit. The bond is on the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption. This is your temporal saving Grace. Under Grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect contract. Public Policy removed the people’s liability to make all payments by making a contract null if it required the payment to be in substance or debt, because the people didn’t have any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments. The word “pay” is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an execution must occur. The word “Discharge” is equated with paper, or even more basic, simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels of heaven that get swiped clean when you pray. |
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FREE MAN 2/24/2005 11:53 pm EST |
House Joint Resolution 192 1933 (20 years after enactment of the Federal Reserve Act) On June 5, 1933, Congress enacted HJR-192 to suspend the gold standard and to abrogate the gold clause. This resolution declared that "Whereas the holding or dealing in gold affect the public interest, and are therefore subject to proper regulation and restriction; and whereas the existing emergency has disclosed that provisions of obligations which purport to give the obligee a right to require payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency. . . are inconsistent with the declared policy of congress. . . in the payment of debts. Editor´s Note: HJR 192 was suspended during the 1970´s and recinded during the 1980´s. This resolution declared that any obligation requiring "payment in gold or a particular kind of coin or currency, or in an amount in money policy; and . . . Every obligation heretofore or hereafter incurred, shall be discharged upon payment, dollar for dollar, in any coin or currency which at the time of payment is legal tender for public and private debts." A farm control bill around the same time period had attached to it a clause making Federal Reserve notes legal tender. In 1937, the Supreme Court struck down the Farm Control Act, thus carrying with it the legal tender status of Federal Reserve notes. Prior to 1933, Federal Reserve notes were used for inter-bank transfers. Around 1945, Congress passed a bill which called for the withdrawl of Federal Reserve notes from public circulation; but, they are still with us. . . *NOTE that the words do not talk about "payment" of debt, but clearly states that "Every Obligation . . . Shall be discharged." In the case of Stanek v. White, 172 Minn. 390, 215 H.W. 784, the court explained the legal distinction between the words "payment" and "discharge": "There is a distinction between a `debt discharged´ and a `debt paid.´ When discharged the debt still exists though divested of its character as a legal obligation during the operation of the discharge. Something of the original vitality of the debt continues to exist, which may be transferred, even though the transferee takes it subject to its disability incident to the discharge. The fact that it carries something which may be a consideration for a new promise to pay, so as to make an otherwise worthless promise a legal obligation, makes it the subject of transfer by assignment." Thus, it is clear that, as a result of HJR 192 and from that day forward (June 5, 1933), no one has been able to pay a debt. The only thing they can do is tender in transfer of debts, and the debt is perpetual. The suspension of the gold standard, and prohibition against paying debts, removed the substance for our Common Law to operate on, and created a void, as far as the law is concerned. This substance was replaced with a "Public National Credit" system where debt is money (The Federal Reserve calls it "monetized debt") over which the only jurisdiction at is Admiralty and Maritime. HJR-192 was implemented immediately. The day after President Roosevelt signed the resolution the treasury offered the public new government securities, minus the traditional "payable in gold" clause. Article I, Section 10, Clause 1, proscribes the States making any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debt -- but, this Article does not contain an absolute prohibition against the States making something else a tender in transfer of debt. HJR-192 prohibits payment of debt and substitutes, in its place, a discharge of an obligation -- thereby not only subverting, but totally bypassing the "absolute prohibition" so carefully engineered into the Constitution. There is, now, nothing for this Article to operate on, just as there is nothing for Common Law to operate on. Perpetual debt, bills, notes, cheques and credits fall within a totally different jurisdiction than contemplated by Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 -- and that jurisdiction belongs exclusively to the Law of Admiralty and Maritime. Now, it is easy to see how "bills" as plenty as oak leaves, "polluted the laws after the War For Independence, as described by Peletiah Webster". This is how we lost access to substantive Common Law -- the very law the Minute Men fought to regain. HJR-192 places every person who deals in the public national credit in the legal position of a merchant, and the only jurisdiction over any controversy involving this subject matter is Admiralty and Maritime. Obviously, if we cannot pay our debts at law, we are also benefiting from limited liability under the Limited Liability Act when we use this credit-- and, that is marine insurance! The definitions of "liability" and "insure" will help convince us of this fact -- in analyzing these definitions, keep in mind the distinction between "payment" and "discharge". Liability: The word is a broad term. Ithas been defined to mean: all character of debts and obligations. . . any kind of debt or liability, either absolute or contingent, express or implied . . . condition which creates a duty to perform an act immediately or in the future . . . duty to pay money or to perform some other service . . . the state of being bound or obligated in law or justice to do, pay, or make good something. "Insure: "To engage to indemnify a person against pecuniary loss from specified perils or possible liability". QUESTION #1: Who do you suppose took possession of the treasury of the State of Pa. on June 5, 1933, -- the moment HJR-192 made it impossible for the State of Pennsylvania to pay its debts? QUESTION #2: Land titles being allodial in Pennsylvania, what was the State Assembly´s authority and jurisdiction to pledge these allodiums to the Federal Reserve as security for loan contracts from the Federal Government? QUESTION #3: If the individual citizens of Pennsylvania were indeed "sovereign" under the Common Law -- What was the authority and jurisdiction of the State Assembly to pledge their labor to the Federal Reserve pool? Clearly, the alleged authority and jurisdiction is the so-called public policy declared by Congress. We will return to this subject later on. If all the assets of the United States have been hypothecated to the Federal Reserve "pool" as security for the maritime loan and insurance underwriting policy, then that raises a couple of questions: QUESTION #1: If the United States "dies" (or is merged) under a One World government, who gets the pool? QUESTION #2: If the Federal Reserve "dies" by way of getting its charter rescinded, who gets the pool? The answers can be found in the Federal Reserve Act itself: "Should a Federal Reserve bank be dissolved or go into liquidation, any surplus remaining, after the payment of all debts, dividend requirements as hereinbefore provided, and the par value of the stock, shall be paid to and become the property of the United States and shall be similarly applied". 31 USC 315B provided that: "No gold shall after January 30, 1934, be coined, and no gold coin shall after January 30, 1934, be paid out or delivered by the United States; provided however, that coinage may continue to be executed by the mints of the United States for foreign countries". This exception was necessary because foreign countries, being recognized or sovereign, could not be held to the internal public policy of the United States. HJR-192 was binding only upon those individuals who were beneficiaries of public policy; that being the privilege of limited liability for payment of debt arising out of participation in the Federal Reserve Public Credit System. HJR-192 automatically extended the privilege to renege on debts to every person using the Federal Reserve banking system; however, never forget that when you operate on a privilege, you have to respect the ruler of the giver of that privilege. Furthermore, in the case of Great Falls Mfg. Co. v. Attorney General, 124 U.S. 581, the court said: "The court will not pass upon the constitutionality of a statute at the instance of one who has availed himself of its benefits." Thus, if you avail yourself of any benefits of the public credit system you waive the right to challenge the validity of any statute pertaining to, and conferring "benefits" of this system on the basis of constitutionality. cmlaw8.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 2/25/2005 1:09 am EST |
American Governance Both systems concurrently exist today. However, the corporate system has been gaining predominance in the last 70 years. Many Sovereigns have contracted with the corporate system unknowingly, unintentionally, and or without full disclosure. Which one do You want for Yourself, Your family, and Your posterity? Once you know the difference, You may have to make a decision for Yourself, Your family, and Your posterity. That decision may require changes in how you do things. You may have to undo what has been done and make your Sovereign status known. This is not taught in government schools, because they do not want you to know this. They want power and control over the masses they call "Human Resources. http://207.198.82.208/USAvsUS.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 2/25/2005 9:23 am EST |
Gee, where have the collective socialist government statist run off to with their "how is government going to support me" modus operandi? |
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Anonymous Coward 2/25/2005 12:47 pm EST |
Terrorism = "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce... the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 CFR 0.85(l)) |
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Anonymous Coward 2/25/2005 12:55 pm EST |
Bump |
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jomama 2/25/2005 3:41 pm EST |
AC 9:45 am Irrelevant. |
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Anonymous Coward 2/25/2005 9:47 pm EST |
Obtaining A Land Patent Or Grant http://www.worldnewsstand.net/law/allodial_title.htm In Order To Obtain A copy of the land patent covering the real estate property you own, follow these simple instructions. 1. Obtain a copy of your legal description from you Warranty Deed or other of your property. Make sure the legal description has in it the Township Number, Range Number and Section Number of your property. 2. You then send the copy of your legal description to the Bureau of Land Management Office for the area in which you are located. Do not send your warranty deed or abstract, just a copy of the description. 3. Attach a letter stating you would like a certified copy of the original land patent or land grant covering the land described. 4. The cost of the land patent was $4.25, 10 years ago, plus a search fee for each land patent or grant. The price is likely to be higher today. For most land east of the Missouri and Kansas border, the patents were issued per 80 acres. In areas west of Missouri, patents were usually issued for 160 acres. To figure costs, divide figures above by acreage owned. This will tell approximately how many patents are needed. Multiply the estimated number patents by $4.25 to get the approximate cost. Send a little over and above for search fees. (What the bureau doesn´t use they will send back.) Send a postal money order, not a check. Allow approximately six weeks for return of patents. You can also go up in person at the Bureau´s Office, (You should probably make an appointment.) 5. When you receive the land patent or land grant, use the Declaration of Land Patent to record the patent in the local county courthouse in which property is located. 6. You have now redeclared the allodial title to your property. For more detailed information and forms, Obtain a copy of the Book, "LAND PATENTS Memorandum of Law History, Force and Effect of the Land Patent" by S. Jay Stewart. Book may be out of print, I suggest an inter-Library loan at your local library. Here are the offices that can issue a land patent if provided with the legal description of your property. ALASKA Anchorage Federal Building 701 "C" Street, Box 13 Anchorage ALASKA 99513 Phone; 907-271-5555 ARIZONA 2400 Valley Bank Center Phoenix, ARIZONA 85073 Phone; 602-261-3900 CALIFORNIA Federal Office Building Room E-2841 2800 Cottage Way Sacramento, CALIFORNIA 95825 Phone;916-484-4724 COLORADO (KANSAS) 1037 20th Street Denver, COLORADO 80202 Phone; 303-837-4481 IDAHO Federal Buiding 550 West Fort Street P.O. Box 042 Boise, IDAHO 83724 Phone; 208-334-1170 MONTANA (NORTH & SOUTH DAKOTA) Granite Tower 222 North 32nd Street P.O. Box 30157 Billings , MONTANA 59107 Phone; 406-657-6461 NEVADA; Federal Building, Room 3008 300 Booth Street P.O. Box 12000 Reno, NEVADA 89520 Phone: 702-784-5311 NEW MEXICO (OKLAHOMA) Joseph M. Montoya Federal Building South Federal Place P.O. Box 1449 Santa Fe, NEW MEXICO 87501 Phone: 505-988-6316 OREGON (WASHINGTON) 825 N.E. Multnomah Street P.O. Box 2965 Portland OREGON 97208 Phone: 503-231-6273 UTAH University Club Building 136 East South Temple Salt Lake City, UTAH 84111 Phone: 801-524-4227 WYOMING (NEBRASKA) 2515 Warren Avenue P.O. Box 1828 Cheyenne, WYOMING 82003 Phone: 307-772-2334 ALL OTHER STATES Eastern States Office 350 South Pickett Street Alexandria, VIRGINIA 22304 Phone: 703-235-2875 |
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Anonymous Coward 2/26/2005 11:09 am EST |
The patenting process is essentially a judgement of the Land Office tribunal, serving as documentary evidence that: Legitimate national obligations (compliance with international treaties and extinguishment of Indian occupancy) have been discharged so that national "interest" in the property can be quitclaimed; The courts held that the operation of a patent as a deed was of the nature of a quitclaim to any interest as the United States possessed in the land; Beard v. Federy, 70 U.S. 478, 3 Wall, 478, 18 L.Ed.88. A patent to land of the United States constituted a full conveyance of title out of the United States; McArthur v. Brue, 67 So. 249, 250, 190 Ala. 563. The issuance of a patent divested the government of all authority and control over the land; Moore v. Robbins, Ill. 96 U.S. 530, 24 L.Ed. 848. A patent passes to the patentee all interest of the United States, whatever it may have been, in everything connected with the soil and in fact everything embraced within the meaning of the term "land"; Damon v. Hawaii, 194 US 154, 48 L.Ed 916, 24 S.Ct. 617; Energy Transp. Systems, Inc. v. Union P. R. Co., (DC Wyo) 435 F.Supp 313, 60 OGR 427, affd (CA10 Wyo) 606 F2d 934, 65 OGR 576; Moore v. Smaw, 17 Cal 199; Hamilton v. Badgett, 293 Mo 324, 240 SW 214; Crawford Co, V. Hathaway, 67 Nob 325, 93 NW 781 (ovrid on other grounds Wassburger v. Coffee, 180 Neb 149, 141 NW2d 738, adhered to 180 Neb 569, 144 NW2d 209. That all disputes concerning possessory rights have been adjudicated in (State) court; For example, Section 34 of the Mining Act of May 10, 1872 (concerning challenges to an application for patent) states: "It shall be the duty of the adverse claimant, within thirty days after filing his claim, to commence proceedings in a court of competent jurisdiction, to determine the question of the right of possession, and prosecute the same with reasonable diligence to a final judgement; and a failure so to do shall be a waiver of his adverse claim. After such judgement shall have been rendered, the party entitled to the possession of the claim, or any portion thereof, may, without giving further notice, file a certified copy of the judgement roll with the register of the land office, together with the certificate of the Director of the Bureau of Land Management [that federal statutory requirements for labor, description and fees have been met] whereupon the whole proceedings and the judgement roll shall be certified by the register to the Director of the Bureau of Land Management, and a patent shall issue thereon for the claim, or such portion thereof as the applicant shall appear, from the decision of the court, to rightly possess..." That any statutory requirements of "proving up" and paying any claim fees have been met. Once requirements are met by the claimant, issuance of a patent is not discretionary. Once the federal patent requirements are satisfied, and there is no question of legitimate national interest in respect to treaties or trusts, the BLM is compelled to issue a patent to a claimant in rightful possession. For instance, Pittsburgh-Pacific Corporation applied for patents to a dozen claims in the Black Hills National Forest, upon which it asserted a discovery of iron ore. At the request of the Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management challenged the existence of a discovery. When the contest came before the Interior´s Board of Land Appeals, the State of South Dakota participated and argued that the Bureau must prepare and environmental impact statement on the patent application. The board held the EIS was not required because patent issuance is not discretionary once Mining Law requirements have been met. [United States v. Pittsburgh-Pacific, 84 I.D. 282, (1977); Confirmed South Dakota v. Andrus, 462 F. Supp. 905, D.S.D.(1978); aff´d. 614 F.2d 1190, 8th Cir, cert. denied 449 U.S. 222 (1980.)] Once a land patent is issued, it stands as the highest evidence of legal title. A patent to land is the judgment of the Land Department and the conveyance of the title in execution of it to the party adjudged entitled, and, when the land described was in the jurisdiction and subject to the disposition of the Land Department, it is impervious to collateral attack; Neff v. United States, 165 F. 273, 277, 91 C.C.A. 241. A patent is recognized as the highest evidence of title, conclusive against the government and all claiming under junior patents or treaties until it set aside or annulled by some judicial tribunal; United States v. Mullan, 10 F. 785, 792; Bayner v. Stanly, 13 F. 217, 223. If other parties possess equities superior to those of the patentee, a court of equity will, on proper proceedings, enforce such equities; but in an action in the federal court in which the legal title is involved, the patent when regular on its surface is conclusive; Redfield v. Parks, 10 S.Ct. 83, 88, 132 U.S. 239, 33 L.Ed.327. After issuance of a patent, any subsequent claim of the United States to titles therein or other disputes between private claimants must be determined by the courts; U.S. v. McKenzie County, North Dakota, D.C.N.D., 187 F.Supp., 470 affirmed Murray v. U.S., 291 F.2d 161. Suits to cancel a patent could only be brought within the statute of limitations, except for actions brought by the U.S. government (1) to recover the value of lands fraudulently obtained; (2) to construe and enforce a patent as construed; and (3) to impress a trust of the lands for the rightful owner - U.S. v. Whited, 38 S.Ct. 367, 246 U.S. 552, 62 L.Ed. 879; Issac Walton League of America v. St. Claire, D.C. Minn, 55 F.R.D. 139, affirmed 497 F 2d. 849, certiorari denied 95 S.Ct. 329, 419 U.S. 1009, 42 L.Ed.2d 284. The expression "patent," used in Act of March 3, 1891, Section 8, 43 U.S.C.A. Section 1166, requiring suits to annul patents to be brought within six years after issuance, means a grant of land from the government. (United States v. La Roque, 198 F. 615, 648, 117 C.C.A. 349.) A suit to cancel a patent must be brought by the United States, and, unless by virtue of an act of Congress, no one but the attorney general or someone authorized to use his name, can initiate the proceeding, (U.S. - U.S. v. Throckmorton, Cal. 98 U.S. 61, 25 L. Ed. 93.) A patent conveying land which was a part of the public domain cannot be attacked or impeached by a person having no interest in the land, (U.S. - Roberts v. Southern Pacific Co., 185 P. 934, affirmed 219 1022, 134 C.C.A. 685; see also Issac Walton League v. St. Claire.) Such a patent is subject to impeachment only by the United States, or its grantee, (Idaho - Johnson v. Hurst, 77 P. 784, 10 Idaho 308,) or a person who has succeeded to its rights, (Utah - Ferry V. Street, 7 P. 712, 11 P. 571, 4 Utah 521,) or by a person who was defrauded or deprived of his rights by the issuance of a patent to another, (Cal. - Mery V. Brodt, 53 P. 818, 121 Cal. 332.). The Official Federal Land Patent Records Site is http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ |
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Anonymous Coward 2/26/2005 11:10 am EST |
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Anonymous Coward 2/26/2005 11:12 am EST |
If you own land there should be an original land patent issued at the time the land passed from the federal governments hands to the land purchaser. My understanding is that patent can be referenced in a warranty deed. "Once a land patent is issued, it stands as the highest evidence of legal title. A patent to land is the judgment of the Land Department and the conveyance of the title in execution of it to the party adjudged entitled, and, when the land described was in the jurisdiction and subject to the disposition of the Land Department, it is impervious to collateral attack; Neff v. United States, 165 F. 273, 277, 91 C.C.A. 241. " "Once requirements are met by the claimant, issuance of a patent is not discretionary." This statement leads me to beleive that today a land owner could meet the requirements and request a land patent from the BLM. Is this still possible and are there any benefits to having the land patent updated to the current land owners name? Any thoughts or sources to reference. anyone? |
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captain obvious 2/26/2005 11:48 am EST |
EVERY court action in the United States is COMMERCIAL. That means it is under maritime/admiralty law and the Uniform Commercial Copde. IT IS ALL BASED ON AGREEMENTS with the artificially created entity that was created when your parents filed an application for your birth certificate. Since the "government" has not provided full disclosure, every contract is fraudulent, and they are guilty of racketeering. If you sign or record ANYTHING on "government" paperwork, they deem you to be volunteering into their system. However, this is fixable by filing a UCC-1 and notify the commercial world that you have taken full and complete ownership of everything in the name of your strawman/artificial entity. If you go before a judge and argue law or constitution, you will lose almost 100% of the time, on the premise that contracts supercede law and the constitution. First, you need to differentiate between who they are suing or prosecuting. It is not the natural man/woman, since they are a corporation and can only deal with other corporations. You are an agent (if you have filed a UCC-1) or third party intervenor. You could choose to demand to see a copy of the contract concerned with your case. You could ask to see a copy of the bond that is related to your case. You could ask what the cusip # is for the bond. The fact that there is a bond proves that it is commercial. You can only do this if you do not have a lawyer or fire your lawyer. |
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captain obvious 2/26/2005 12:01 pm EST |
For those who would like to know the truth about "mortgages" and get theirs "adjusted", see www.terminate123.com When you signed and handed over the note associated with your mortgage, you exchanged a negotiable instrument for one that the lending company provided you and they both had the exact same value, so your mortgage was paid IN FULL at that time! Terminate123 has "adjusted" over 700 "mortgages successfully. In order for their program to work, your payments have to be current, and their fee is $3000. |
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Anonymous Coward 2/26/2005 3:05 pm EST |
captain obvious USER ID: 15814 2/26/2005 12:01 pm EST http://www.terminate123.com Lets see, I sign a fraudulent bank contract that creates the credit money "out of thin air" under the illusion of mortgage borrowing, when in fact, it is my "signature" that creates the credit money. The credit contract possesses a clause that compels my performance to pay the Bank a "management fee and profit" in the form of an interest rate and fee´s .... not only am I required to pay the bank a management compound interest fee, but I am also required to pay numerous other UPFRONT fees and a 10%/15%/20% down payment that covers the Banks fractional reserve cost of creating the bank loan. If my mortage loan is for say 150,000.00 X 30 years @ 6.75% the monthy payment is $972.90 Total amount paid after 30 years: $350,244.00 ($972.90 monthly pmt. X 360 months) Initial Amount of loan: $150,000.00 $350.244.00 Total amount paid (30 yrs.) ------------- $200,244.00 Total Amount of Interest Paid Excuse me, $200+K in bank management fees for the use of credit money I created "out of thin air" is ridiculously overpriced and immoral, if not downright criminal! This is nothing more than debt slavery! To justify and make the theft palatable to the conscience, the same Banksters that operate the privately owned FED and IRS allow a "interest deduction" on the mortgage loan. Gee arent they so considerate, always looking out for our best interest! What did the deduction cost them? Nothing .... What did they really give you? Nothing ... Mort = Death Gage = Chains Mortgage = death chains! |
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Anonymous Coward 2/26/2005 6:29 pm EST |
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it´s issuance." -- James Madison "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government" --Article IV, section 4, The Constitution for the united States of America |
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Anonymous Coward 2/27/2005 9:35 am EST |
"The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is our creation. In fact, it accurately reflects our careful, artificial polarization of the population on phoney issues that prevents the issue of our power from arising in their minds. The Left supports civil liberties and opposes economic or entrepreneural liberty. The Right supports economic liberty and opposes civil liberty. Of course neither can exist fully (which is our goal) without the other. We control the Right-Left conflict such that both forms of liberty are suppressed to the degree we require. Our own liberty rests not on legal or moral "rights," but on our control of the government bureaucracy and courts which apply the complex, subjective regulations we dupe the public into supporting for our benefit. Innumerable meaningless conflicts to divert the attention of the public from our operations find fertile ground in the bitter hatreds of the Right-Left embroglio. Right and Left are irreconcilable on racial policy, treatment of criminals, law enforcement, pornography, foreign policy, women´s lib, and censorship to name just a few issues. Although censorship in the name of "fairness" has been useful in broadcasting and may yet be required in journalism, we generally do not take sides on these issues. Instead we attempt to prolong the conflicts by supporting both sides as required. War, of course, is the ultimate diversionary conflict and the health of our system. War provides the perfect cover of emergency and crisis behind which we consolidate our power. Since nuclear war presents dangers even to us, more and more we have resorted to economic crisis, energy shortages, ecological hysteria, and managed political drama to fill the gap. Meaningless, brushfire wars, though, remain useful." —The Occult Technology of Power http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/chapter3.htm |
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Anonymous Coward 2/27/2005 11:09 am EST |
"You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. You´re here because you know something. What you know, you can´t explain, but you feel it. You´ve felt it your entire life - that there´s something wrong with the world. You don´t know what it is, but it´s there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad." -- Morpheus |
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Anonymous Coward 2/27/2005 1:12 pm EST |
bumped for new readers |
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Anonymous Coward 2/27/2005 1:40 pm EST |
"Now comes the hardest part. Every piece of recorded real property is used to collateralize government loans, so your real property has public debt attached to it. You need to find out the amount of the public debt (approximately seven times the annual property tax) and the holder of the debt, then pay it off." you are right, except fot the above part---that will be the !@#$%^& day. If "they" think public loans will be paid by me, let them produce a specific loan contract for those funds with my signature on it.....otherwise those loans are no more my problem, than would be my neighbours had I pledged his car as collatoral on a loan. |
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Anonymous Coward 3/7/2005 7:16 pm EST |
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Anonymous Coward 3/27/2005 9:49 pm EST |
Time pull this out of the archive! |
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Anonymous Coward 3/27/2005 9:52 pm EST |
I am very tired of paying triple taxes on money earned...it is time for the accountability... |
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